Competency Demonstration Report (CDR)

A Competency Demonstration Report (CDR) is required by Engineers Australia to assess the competency of an engineer with overseas qualifications not covered by the Washington Accord.

What is a Competency Demonstration Report (CDR) ?

It is not just one single written report.

A Competency Demonstration Report (CDR) is a collection of the following documents.

  • the CDR Application Form.
  • a signed declaration that the report is all your own work
  • certified copies of your academic records
  • your curriculum vitae (CV) or resume
  • continuing profession development (CPD) listing
  • International English Language Test (IELTS) Result
  • 3 (three) career episode reports (CERs)
  • Summary statement of competencies from the career episode reports

To get the full story on assessment of engineering qualifications go to the Engineers Australia website and download a .pdf copy of the Migration Skills Assessment booklet.

www.engineersaustralia.org.au

This booklet takes you through the whole process. Read it from cover to cover before you think about writing anything.

A tribus lingua we receive many requests for assistance in writing career episode reports (CERs). Sorry, we cannot do this. The CERs must be your own work. However, we will continue to answer your questions on the CDR preparation process via our blog comments.

Completing a Competency Demonstration Report (CDR) for Engineers Australia to assess overseas qualifications not covered by the Washington Accord is the first step in migration.

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  1. Amrit said on March 17, 2009 at 10:24 pm

    Is it necessary that each career episode should be more than 5-6 pages or it can just be 1-2 pages. I am writing CER and got confused in this matter.

  2. ianlittle said on March 17, 2009 at 10:30 pm

    Amrit – The Migration Skills Assessment Handbook provides specific details on the format and length of the career episode reports. Read this from cover to cover before you start writing. Download the handbook from the Engineers Australia website : http://www.engineersaustralia.org.au/

    As a guide, each CER should be made up of:

    Introduction: 50 words
    Background: 200 – 500 words
    Personal engineering activity: 500 – 1000 words
    Summary: 50 – 100 words

    Each career episode report (CER) should be 3 – 4 pages. Much less and you will struggle to convince the assessors you have all the competencies. A lot more and the assessors will not bother trying to read it.

  3. m said on May 28, 2009 at 9:32 pm

    hey ian, i’m a mech engineer and i have two career episodes selected. for the third one, is it alright if i described my role in an assembly plant? unfortunately there was no creativity or design involved, only managerial tasks involving managing the work crews and meeting deadlines. i wonder how i’d be able to present that. also, i see a lot of reports where applicants have gone into considerable mathematical detail, even where there is no apparent reason to do so. none of my career episodes have that level of math, but only because it wasn’t required, as we used software to do the number crunching.

  4. ianlittle said on May 29, 2009 at 8:11 am

    m- Here is a quote from the Migration Skills Handbook. “A career episode is a documented component of your engineering education and/or work experience which captures a particular period or distinct aspect of your engineering activity. It may be:

    • an engineering task undertaken as part of your educational program;
    • a project you have worked on or are currently working on;
    • a specific position that you occupied or currently occupy;
    • a particular engineering problem that you were required to solve.”

    So the answer is ‘yes’ You can write about the general things you have done or you may be able to write about a specific problem. You write aboout things you have done and include details of the how and why to demonstrate professional engineering competencies. I suggest you prepare a brief outline for each of your CERs. About ten one line sentences. Assess which competencies from the definition in the Migration Skills Assessment Handbook each of these will demonstrate. Then assess what is missing and what may be repeated more than once. Look for additional points to cover competencies you have missed and to strengthen your reports. Do not start writing in detail until you are satisfied that your outlines cover all the competencies as best you can. Do not panic if you do not cover every competency fully. No one gets 100% in an exam (almost no one anyhow).
    Your CER must be related to mechanical engineering duties as defined in the ASCO. It is about what you have done not what was achieved by a project, job or company.
    I would not expect mathematical detail. Computers do that. I would expect there would be general words on analysis techniques mentioning principles and hethods used. I agree there is no reason to go into mathematics.

  5. kinjal said on May 29, 2009 at 8:59 pm

    Hi i am a Mechatronics Engineer I have done my engineering from india. I have two carrier episode done but iam bit confused about the third one. After completing my Engineering i have worked for one and a half year in Mechanical field. so can any body tell me what to write in my third carrier episode.

  6. ianlittle said on May 29, 2009 at 10:23 pm

    Kinjal – see the answer I gave to m yesterday on this topic. look at different parts of your work experience. Look for mini projects.

  7. Litesh said on May 31, 2009 at 6:49 pm

    can u please tel me that is a Mechanical Engineer who is working in Sales is eligible for the Immigration to Australia or not

  8. ianlittle said on June 1, 2009 at 10:13 am

    Litesh – There is not enough information to judge. Make your own assessment by reading the information on this site. Follow through the reference sites given on our FAQ page and this blog. http://www.tribuslingua.com.au/blog/engineer-migration-to-australia-your-occupation-qualifications-and-work-experience

  9. sachin said on June 6, 2009 at 1:45 am

    Hi
    I am plnning to access my skills as electronics engineer.I have done my BE(Electronics and communication ) from India.I have job experience of technical support in microsft, Technical support in dell computers and voluntary experience as web designer in export house.I have none experience related to electronics except dell.
    I am confused how to relate these experiences with career episode.

    Please can anyone advise
    Regards

  10. ianlittle said on June 6, 2009 at 7:15 am

    Sachin – Have a look at the full definition of tasks for the electronics engineer occupation in the ASCO code. You can get the full description of tasks for an electronics engineer occupation from the ABS website.

    Australian Bureau of Statistics (ABS)

    Here is the definition : 2125-13 Electronics Engineer – Designs, develops, adapts, installs, tests and maintains electronic components, circuits and systems used for computer systems, communication systems and other industrial applications.

    you also need the definition for a professional engineer’s competencies from the Migration Skills Assessment booklet.

    Your voluntary work as a web designer does not help you as it is notrelevant work experience for an electronics engineer.

    Your technical support work seems like it could be more like the tasks of an engineering technologist. You should be able to get one CER from your final year project. for the other two, look for mini projects or problems soled which used engineering skills as givem the competency definition: analysing, adapting etc..

  11. Atan92 said on June 8, 2009 at 5:48 am

    Hi to All,

    I am attempting to start my CDR for migration to Australia.I am a Manufacturing Engineer from Mauritius. I know that Manufacturing Engineering is a subsidiary of Mechanical Engineering and I’ve been working in the automobile field.
    Ian, will you please advise if I can write my CDR in this field.

  12. ianlittle said on June 8, 2009 at 8:54 am

    Atan – There is some common areas between, production, manufacturing, industrial and manufacturing engineering. I suggest you compare your CV and work experience against the detailed subjects you have studied in your course and the definitions and tasks of the different occupations. Think about which occupation you can write the best career episodes for to match one of the occupations. It depends very much on the work you have been doing in the automobile field. Are you designing cars, designing car production plants or machinery.

  13. Atan92 said on June 8, 2009 at 7:27 pm

    Ian,

    Initially i was working in a service department for all mechanical and electrical repairs of motor vehicles. i’ve been doing this for 3 years and i am very well conversant with mechanical things. Now for the past three years,i am now dealing with the manufacture of bus and trucks bodies. I’ve got a career episode whereby i was leading a project recently for the transformation of a base vehicle into an armoured vehicle. Another career episode, i have working on a project on the installation and comissioning of a compressor system and line for my workshop using all air tools. I’ve got another project whereby i have reduce the man hours for manufacture bus bodies.
    Do you think these projects are valid?

  14. ianlittle said on June 8, 2009 at 7:51 pm

    Atan – They look like professional engineering tasks and valid topics for career episodes. Remember it is not about the job you have done, it is the competencies, your skills and actions you can demonstrate from doing the jobs.

  15. Mohd Aminuddin Othman said on June 21, 2009 at 12:32 am

    Dear Ianlittle,

    I am professional engineer from Malaysia under Institute of Engineers Malaysia and currently working in Perth, WA. Just passed my IELTS, now applying skill assessment from EA. What does provisional status by Washington Accord means, is that means I am accredited or not? I’m a bit confused here.

    Thanks for your help.

  16. ianlittle said on June 21, 2009 at 5:59 am

    Mohd – Provisional status means that Maylasi is in the process of having coursee recognised under the Washington Accord. Until that process is complete, and your course is listed, you still need to do a CDR. The test is to go to the Washibngton Accord website and see if your course is listed there. Courses are listed by institution, course and year. I do not think your course will be listed. If your course is not listed you are not accredited. i do not think you are.

  17. Usman Akram said on July 8, 2009 at 3:29 am

    Hi, I have done Bachelour in science in Electrical Engineering(Communication and Electronics)Pakistan. I have 2.5 years experience in Mobiserve as Operation and maintenance engineer and System engineer in NEC . Please I am a bit confused in writing CDR. How to start.

  18. ianlittle said on July 8, 2009 at 5:03 pm

    Usman – 1 Read the competencies for a professional engineer in the Migration Skills Assessment booklet.
    2 Read the ASCO occupation on the Australian Bureau of Statistics website.
    3 Select three episodes from your work experience and engineering course that you think will enable you to display the engineering conpetencies you have.
    4 Write ten one line sentences, each starting with I (I analysed, I calculated, I designed, I planned, etc.) for each of the episodes.
    5 Check the competencies you are able to demonstrate from the episode outlines.
    6 Fill in the gaps to show more competencies.
    7 Write the complete CERs.
    Remember the aim is to demonstrate what you have done in engineering.

  19. Joel said on July 8, 2009 at 7:41 pm

    Ian,

    I already received my positive EA skills assessment of Professional Electronics Engineer, the CDR making pointers on your website really helped me a lot on my assessment.

  20. Saghir said on July 25, 2009 at 4:43 pm

    Dear Sir,
    I have written 3 career episodes, two of about 18 pages each with lots of pictures in it. The third one is of about 45 pages and includes actual design work carried out by me in my studies. I wanted to show Engineers australia all the work performed by me. Please guide me are these CERs acceptable upto the level of engineers australia?????

  21. ianlittle said on July 25, 2009 at 8:02 pm

    Saghir – Not close. You have wasted a lot of time and energy.

    Read and follow the instructions in the Migration Skills Assessment booklet. Part of the assessment is to be able to write in a clear and concise manner. Remove all pictures and any direct examples of your work. Then critically review each CER, sentence by sentence. Delete every sentece which does not show how you demonstrate a competency.

    Do not write what you want to write. Write what Engineers Australia want to see – evidence of how you meet each and every competency. Many sentences should start with I !

  22. Saghir said on July 26, 2009 at 2:28 am

    Dear Ianlittle,
    Thankx a lot for your reply. yeah i have wasted time and energy as it is very difficult to write career episodes during your job anyways i will correct my CERs for sure, thnkx again for support. Ian, i have some more questions to ask and hope you will answer them by giving your precious time to these questions……..here are the questions:
    1.Does Engineers Austrailia made any changes in Professional engineers CDR case in the month of June? Any english language requiement changes? or in Fees structure?? If there is any change made by Engineers Australia in the month of June please update me.

    2. What is the procedure to submit my IELTS original test report to Engineers australia as i have to give a CID number to the authority who will send it directly. In the booklet it is written after 5 to 7 working days CID number will be send so after that i have to send my TRF to engineers Australia???

    3. It is written in the migration skills assessment booklet on page 15 Section C under the heading Curriculum Vitae that ” if a career episode is based upon engineering work, then you must provide an employer reference letter”. For example if i have prepared one career episode of my previous employer then should i have to submit an employer refernce letter of that firm???? please explain this point in detail.

    4.If a CV is of 4 pages then is it accptable????

    Your kind and swift reply is highly appreciated.
    BR
    Saghir Hussain

  23. ianlittle said on July 26, 2009 at 1:15 pm

    Saghir – As a former Australian prime minister said “Life was not meant to be easy.”
    1. I have not seen anything to indicate changes in the Enlish language requirements for professional engineer accreditation. The Engineers Australia website will give you their current fees. They could have changed for a new financial year. I will teach you to be self sufficient, but will not do the job for you.
    2 As you have read in the Migration Skills Assessment booklet, DO NOT SEND THE CERTIFICATE WITH YOUR APPLICATION. You send the test centre details and tell the test centre to send the results to Engineers Australia.
    3 Yes – For any work experience used as a basis for a CER you must have the work experience validated by the company. I suggest that your draft a letter for the company to provide to you. keep it simple. Key words are that “Saghir was employed by XYZ Co for the period from A to B as a professional engineer.” Anything else you can have added is a bonus, such as “He was engaged in the engineering operations department an the ABC project doing all sorts of good work (use appropriate professional engineering competency words such as – designing, assessing, managing).” An alternative is to send the company a copy of your CV with a draft letter and get them to simply say” Saghir was employed by XYZ for the preiod A to B and get the appropriate manager to validate your experience by signing your CV. Read the details of authorising and validating documentation in the Migration Skills Assessment booklet to be sure you get this bit correct.

    4 A 4 page CV is a bit on the long side for your length of experience. If you have not already bought Project Australia, get it and read it. It tells you all about Australian CV preparation. You will need this once you have a visa, so get it now.

    You need to make a huge shift in your thought processes. You questions indicate you understand what is written but you are having trouble believing that these Australians want something that seems strange to you. Australians are different. The two legged animals and the kangaroos. Work hard to understand and accept the differences. Read Australian engineering and news sites. If you cannot, or are not willing to, make the effort to understand and accept the differences you will not migrate successfully to Australia. You will feel misunderstood and discriminated against.

  24. Saghir said on July 26, 2009 at 7:00 pm

    Dear Ian,
    Again thank you so much for giving your valuable time for the questions i asked. yes, Ian the prime minister was rite and if life is meant to be easy then there will be no charm left in it. Struggle makes life harder and enjoyable in my opinion. Anyways, i regularly search the site http://www.immi.gov.au and http://www.engineersaustralia.com but i couldn’t find any major changes in the fiscal year ended. Yes my previous employer gave an experience certificate mentioning the time period i spent there in the particular department and the idea to get a sign from a manager is a better one i will do it as my previous boss lived just nearby my house :) but your idea was superb and can help many others thnkx for tht again. Well you are rite Ian australians are very differnt, on one side they said your CV should be very brief and it should countain your experience and responsibilities in detail, :) how one can show such things in a format of a 3 pages CV. Anyways as u said i have to accept the changes and i will have to short down my CV to a 3 pages one.
    Well Ian you have mention the booklet project australia, could you please mention from where i can get it. if you can tell us the website from where we can order it, it will be very beneficial for us.

    Ian, I must appreciate the efforst you are making in the development of the future of so many people. Your valuable input is priceless, God bless to you and your company who are doing such a great job for the human race.
    Now i can understand that australians are really different and we have to accept the changes they want to look in our presentations.
    Thank you so much again Ian to guide me and assist me as those were the final points in which i was stucked and you have just clear the misunderstandings.

    God Bless You
    Take care and have a healthy and bright future i wish.

    BR
    Saghir

  25. ianlittle said on July 27, 2009 at 8:52 pm

    Saghir – Thank you. I can see why you have writen so many words. Whenever you write or speak stop and think, “What does the recipient of my message want to know?” Give them just that, not one bit more. You must work hard to give them only the relevant iinformation. That is your challenge.
    Here is the link to Project Australia.

    Good Luck.

  26. Sadik said on July 28, 2009 at 8:37 pm

    Dear Ian,

    I am civil engineer in telecommunication field, all the past three years i have been with orascom telecom as a construction engineer, but last 1.5 years i am doing the management job, main responsibilities of my job are to follow up the project, preparing reports for upper mgt… take initiative to solve the problem management problem in the field, liasion with consultants and clients etc (In a word coordination)…… i have done nothing with designing, we have just implemented…so in order to complete the demonstration report i am thinking to face some problems
    1. how can i divide my tasks into three reports as i am following almost the same format
    2. there is no mathematical equation or stuffs like that so far i have followed doing my regular tasks except estimation…

    please advise as i think u have been familiar responding such problem.

    best rigards//
    Sadik.

  27. ianlittle said on July 28, 2009 at 8:50 pm

    Sadik – I suggest you look at one CER from your university project where you should hsve done analysis and design, the second look for a problem you have analysed and solved or improvements you have initiated or a mistake you had to correct, then look at your overall job so you can bring together a number of different aspects to display your engineering skills.
    Have a good look at your CV and update it to include the engineering skills you have demonstrated.
    Start writing the summary report first so you are thinking about the competencies.

  28. sadik said on August 5, 2009 at 2:55 am

    Dear Ian,

    Thanks a lot for your precious suggestion. Ian can i select my under grad thesis for episode 1?..it was about establishing a effluent treatment plant for industrial discharge to river..though i work in telecom sector now. I decided to prepare the CER’s as follows:
    1. Undergrade thesis as episode 1
    2. Problem faced in implementing design during present job
    3. highlighting overall responsibilities of present job with respect to engg. skill….

    Would you please kindly advise regarding this issue.

    Best Regards//
    Sadik.

  29. ianlittle said on August 5, 2009 at 12:24 pm

    Sadik – You can use an undergraduate project. These are good for demonstrating design competencies. You do not talk about responsibilities, you need to talk about competencies. Your next step is to write about ten one line ideas on what your CER will cover – for each CER. Then put the competency number each linewill demonstrate. Next complete the Summary, check out what is missing and find new evidence to filll in the gaps. Do not start writing the detail until you have done this.

  30. Bright said on August 13, 2009 at 9:36 pm

    Can I include diagrams (flow charts, photos, schematics) in my CER.

  31. ianlittle said on August 14, 2009 at 6:45 pm

    Bright – All that seems too much. Remeber this – each part must demonstrate how you can demonstrate an engineering competency. This need action words, not pictures. It’s not a primary school project. a CDR is a serious engineering report.

  32. Bobby said on August 17, 2009 at 11:40 pm

    I have a bachelors degree in electrical engineering and have worked as an electrical design engineer on one of my previous jobs. However most of my technical working experience is on Instrumentation and control systems engineering. 4 year ago I have moved to project engineering. Can I still use electrical engineeri as my nominated engineering occupation? I have a total of 20 years combined working experience in electrical, instrumentation & control systems, and project engineering.

  33. ianlittle said on August 18, 2009 at 5:06 pm

    Bobby – Nothing wrong with any of that. Instrument and Control is a legitimate part of electrical engineering, as is project management. I would expect you will have no trouble writing three CERs to demonstrate you have professional engineer competencies and knowledge of electrical engineering as a discipline with control systems as a specialist branch. Going back to earlier work may provide you with problemes getting the work experience validated for the period relating to a CER.

  34. Ahsan said on August 19, 2009 at 2:40 am

    I have a bachelor degree in mechanical engineering but have 5 years of work experience in manufacturing industry i-e project management of production activities ( plan, schedule, costing, budgeting etc) so wat should i write in CDR’s

  35. ianlittle said on August 19, 2009 at 2:00 pm

    Ahsan – go ot the Australian Bureau of Statistics website and look at the ASCO job definitions. You need to draw out the engineering competencies you use in making decisions related to the other project management type activities you do. You need to demonstrate the engineering thinking you use behind the management decisions you make.

  36. RC said on August 19, 2009 at 11:27 pm

    Hello ianlitle
    Can you give the link to the Handbook Download (for those writing CERs)of the Engineers Australia website ?
    Thanks.

  37. ianlittle said on August 20, 2009 at 1:00 am

    RC – Follow the references on our FAQ page.

  38. Miq said on August 27, 2009 at 7:41 am

    Dear Ian,

    Recently, I lodged a Washington Accord (Professional Engineer) application for the accreditation of my Bachelor of Engineering (Hons) qualification in Automotive Engineering. A UK University awarded my degree and I know that the Institution of Mechanical Engineers UK and the Engineering Council UK recognise it.

    I have been told by Engineers Australia that my qualification (BEng) is not accredited under the Washington accord since a further learning from the student intake year of 1999 is a requirement stipulated on the Engineering Council UK website. As a result, they have invited me to write a CDR.

    Do they mean that my qualification does not allow me to register as a ‘Professional Engineer’? What about my eligibility as an Engineering Technologist?

    From what I understand, in order to be eligible for a Chartered Engineer status in the UK, the above degree + further learning is required, however, for an Incorporated Engineer status only a engineering bachelor degree is required.

    If they consider a UK Chartered Engineer to be an equivalent of a Professional Engineer in Australia (based on what they have said), why did not they offer me an Engineering Technologist instead since it is equal to an Incorporated Engineer in the UK?

    Most CDRs written by engineers are submitted for a Professional Engineer status but most of them only get a positive assessment as an Engineering Technologist.

    I will be grateful for your comments.

    Best regards,

    Miq

  39. ianlittle said on August 27, 2009 at 10:25 am

    Miq – Correct. They will not recognise you as a professional engineer, but they could recognise you as an enginering technologist. I have no idea why they did not do that. You need to check whether you are accredited as an engineering technologist under the Sydney Accord. You do this from the Wasshington Accord web site. It is possible to migrate as a technologist and apply for recognition as a professional engineer after you have migrated. I think many people fail to e accredited as professional negineers because they do not directly address the engineering competencies when they write their CDRs. Learn more:strong>

  40. Miq said on August 27, 2009 at 7:32 pm

    Many thanks for your reply Ian, I really appreciate your effort.

    I have just been on the phone to the Engineering Council UK and I have been told that my degree is only eligible for an Engineering Technologist assessment under the Sydney accord. They also explained me the requirement for a Professional Engineer, which is an MEng (Master of Engineering – Undergraduate, not Post graduate) and not a BEng (Hons).

    Now that I know that my assessment will be successful as an Engineering Technologist under the Sydney Accord – it will, however, have the title Automotive Engineer on it since the title of degree says ‘Autmotive Engineering’.

    This brings me down to one final question. I would like to be assessed as a Mechanical Engineer and I know that 95% of my course shares similar modules with Mechanical Engineer. I believe they will ask me to write a CDR in order to expect an outcome as a Mechanical Engineer – even though the courses are pretty much similar and Auutomtive Engineering is Mechanical Engineering.

    Are there are any specials requirements for a CDR in this case (where you only expect a different outcome)? Would a print out of modules comparing the two courses be enough in my case? If I do end up writing a CDR, why not then just submit it for a Professional Engineer Status instead and for an outcome as a Mechanical Engineer?

    Thanks once again in advance.

    Miq

  41. ianlittle said on August 27, 2009 at 8:32 pm

    Miq – Are you looking for work? I would apply under mechanical engineering technologist under the Sydney Accord – no CDR required. The occupation classifications are broad with few specialist areas. the specialities areas are covered under the major disciplines. I agree if you write a CDR certainly go for professional engineer.

  42. Miq said on August 27, 2009 at 8:53 pm

    Thank you Ian.

    I am actually working in the UK and planning on emigrating to Australia. I do fit in a specialist area (thermal fluid systems etc) described in the tasks definition of Mechanical Engineer occupation but do degree titles matter that much?

    If I apply as a Mechanical Engineering Technologist (2128-13), it is not included in the critical skills list where as a Mechanical Engineer (2126-11) is.

    I think this may affect my visa application, do you agree?

    Miq

  43. ianlittle said on August 27, 2009 at 8:59 pm

    Miq – Totally and absolutely. Start writing your CDR.

  44. Miq said on August 29, 2009 at 3:41 am

    Thank you Ian for your comments.

    I have read the Migration Skills booklet and writing a CDR should not be a problem. Looks straight forward!

    Regards
    Miq

  45. ianlittle said on August 29, 2009 at 6:50 am

    Miq – That is the first time I have aeen that written or heard said. Having good English makes CDR writing easier. The most important thing to keep in mind is that the stage 1 competencies are those expected at a graduate level. Most people don’t realise the engineering skills they use doing simple tasks.

  46. Jason said on August 30, 2009 at 5:47 pm

    G’day,Sir!

    I’ve been working in Australia for 17 months under 457 visa and my visa occupation is Civil Engineer. I’m currently working for a project of building houses in cyclonic area in WA as a project engineer. I plan to write a CDR based on this project.
    I had 5 years of working experience in China before coming to Australia, however, only 1 year where I worked on a bridge construction project was relating to Civil Engineer position, My enquiry is “Can I write 2 CDR based on this bridge project?” For examle, Can I write pile construction in complex karst area as a CDR and bridge superstructrue construction as another CDR? The reason I put forward this question is I noticed item 3.6 say: You are required to present a narrative on each of three seperate career episodes on page 15 of Migration Skills Assessment brochure.
    Can you explain? Much appreciate!

  47. ianlittle said on August 30, 2009 at 9:44 pm

    Jason – Yes you can write two, or even all three career episode related to the same job or project provided they cover different aspects of the job or project. For example, jou may write one CER about the job in general covering project management competencies and write a second CER covering a particular problem or technical issue you had to deal with. The way to test if it will all work out is to write one line outlines for each CER episode. Write about ten one liners to cover the story for each CER. Then you assess which competencies you will cover for each of these one line items when they are expanded into a full narrative. Next complete the summary report referring back to the competencies in the one liners for each CER. You will need to revise your outlines to cover all the professional engineering competencies. You will find that you have repeated some competencies several times and missed others. After you have revised your outlines you should be able to see how it will all work out. Good Luck.

  48. Jason said on August 31, 2009 at 1:30 am

    Thanks so much for your reply!
    I have some problems with understanding of engineering competencies:
    1. you wrote in “writing a CDR- Secrets of success” “To claim the element you need to give evidence of actions which tell of things you have done to meet every sub-element”. Let’s take PE2.3 as an example, there are 8 sub-elements contained, I can only figure out writing selection of pile construction method(percussion pile and bored pile) in karst area to demonstrate the 5th to the 8th sub-elements, I have no idea where I can dig out to demonstrate the first 4 sub-elements. Obviously, that’s not follow your stands. (1)Can you advise me the sequence of importance of these sub-elements, in another word, which sub-elements are more important than the rest? (2)what can I do if I could not cover them all, or even half?

    2.How to extract the competency from what I did? For example, during the bridge project, once our site was raided by hurricane which showed no signs and warning, I immediately checked the site and took the pictures of the damage(materials were drown, power equipment damaged) and extracted yesterday’s weather forecast, I then sent all the documents to the Employer(Client) to help them to claim the insurance because it belong to Force Majeure. I also referred to related clause from FIDIC contract conditions and applied for 2 days extension of working time. the problem is I can’t see which competency I can demonstrate from this action!! Can you advise?

    3.Do you have any other essay talking about the detailed competencies? I believe writing appropriate materials to demonstrate all the competencies is now my biggest challenge!
    Thanks again for your prompt reply!!

  49. ianlittle said on August 31, 2009 at 2:33 am

    Jason – How many exams have you got 100% in? It is unrealistic to expect to be able to get every part of every element. Obviously the more you can demonstrate the better your chance of accreditation. You have to try and show your strengths are greater than your weaknesses. You probably won’t cover all the elements in one episiode. Look to other episodes to cover other elements. Writing one CER about one of your jobs provides a good path to pick up bits and piecs of elements missed out elsewhere.
    I can see by your questions that you are only thinking about your actions in a superficial way. You must try and recognise the engineering thoughts and actions. This is not taking pictures and sending off reports for insurance claims. How did you know what to take pictures of? You assessed the damage. You estimated repair and recovery times. You probably made assessments of whether some things could be repaired or had to be rebuilt or replaced. You analysed the damage and made engineering decisions. You recognised the contractual situation was force majeure – that’s a bit of project management. Read the competecies again and again – think engineering thoughts behind your actions. Ask yourself “What was the engineering reason for me doing that?”

    It is all so simple everyone overlooks the obvious. Remember the competencies are only at a graduate level. Quite frankly graduates don’t know much. Become a student meber of Engineers Australia (it’s free) As a member you can see examples of stage 2 competency report episodes. The style in these is very similar.

  50. Chris de Kock said on September 1, 2009 at 5:48 pm

    Ian,
    I am currently working in Australis as a Technical Officer (Mechanical Drafter). I have a T4 Diploma (National Higher Diploma, Mechanical Engineering) from the Vaal Traiangle Tehnikon South Africa. I have been working as a Mechanical design drafter in South Africa and have 14 years work experience. I want to start my application for PR and this will be done as Mechanical Engineer Associate (Mechanical Engineer Technical Officer). Do I need to have my qualifications assessed in order to proceed with the PR process?

  51. ianlittle said on September 1, 2009 at 6:53 pm

    Chris – I would say yes if you are applying for a general skilled migrant visa. The good news is that your qualification may be accredited under the Sydney Accord. You can check this out by going to the Washington Accord website. Go to our FAQ page and you can follow ther various links to acquanit yourself with the requirements. You really need to talk to a registered migration agentabout visa matters.

  52. Chris de Kock said on September 2, 2009 at 8:29 am

    Ian, thank you for coming back to me. I went and had a look and my qualification is accredited with Washington Accord . The course, the institution and the years that I have studied is listed – so I take that this is a yes for the Washingon Accord?

  53. ianlittle said on September 2, 2009 at 6:10 pm

    Chris – Just think how useful it will be to have the whole Migrate Australia Course. The blog is only a teaser sample. It certainly looks like you were heading for the wrong queue. Your migration path appears very straight forward. You can apply under the Washington Accord as a professional engineer. Follow the links to Engineers Australia site from our FAQ page

  54. Chris de Kock said on September 3, 2009 at 12:56 pm

    Dear Ian,
    The more I look at this the more confusing it gets. I am sure that I actually do not qualify under the Washington Accord because they ask for degrees and I only have a National Diiploma (studied 1991 – finished 1992) and National Higher Diploma( 1992 to end 1992). In the list that I am looking at they mention a Nasional Diploma 3 years and in the same section a BTech 1 year. The B Tech degrees only came in after I have finished my National Higher Diploma. They brought this in for the engineers that did their 3 year diploma and then the 1 year BTech in order for them to register as proffesional engineers in South Africa.

    The thing is I can still not find any list that states the accredited courses and institutions for the Sydney Accord regarding South African qualifications.

    My next issue is that I do not want to register as an engineer – this is not why my qualifications needs to be assest. I am in the process of applying for PR and therefore needs my qualifications assest according to the ASCO code 3125-11. According to the code skills requirement it is as follows: an AQF Diploma or higher qualification or at least 3 years relevant work experience.

    Therefore I am looking at your first reply and would like to ask you if we should do this assestment with the Sydney Accord.

    Kind Regards,
    Chris

  55. ianlittle said on September 3, 2009 at 3:45 pm

    Chris – I think we have both been misleading each other. I am now totally unclear on what you really meant to tell me last time around. so I think it goes like this. Starting from the Washington Accord site you saw your qualification mentioned down to course institute and year. So by mutual recognition your course will be recognised by Engineers Australia as it is recognised in South Africa at some level under the Accords. If I was you I would fill out the paperwork , pay my $200 hard earned and see what happens.. To take some of the risk out of it, why not go along to the Engineers Australia office in Adelaid and talk to an assessor there? Stick with it mate.

  56. Arvinder said on September 21, 2009 at 3:32 pm

    Hello Ian,

    I am an electronics engineer from India being working for more than 1.5 yrs. I want to apply for Australian Immigration. I have cleared IELTS test. Can you please guide me regarding the basic procedure to proceed further in order to get through australian immigration successfully.

    Thank you,

    Regards,

    Arvinder Singh

  57. ianlittle said on September 21, 2009 at 8:53 pm

    Arvinder – Go to our FAQ page and follow the many links there. You will need to talk with a migration agent. We can only advise on qualifications recognition and general migration matters. Buy Project Australia. It’s all in there.

  58. Donato said on October 3, 2009 at 4:57 pm

    Dear Ian,
    I am a Civil Engineer from the Philippines but my entire experience is in Project Controls as a Cost Engineer/Quantity Surveyor for 12 years, 7 years in Phils and 5 years abroad all in Construction Projects.

    I read the requirements for accreditaion as Quantity Surveyor but I am not qualified as it requires BS for Quantity Surveying. I am confuse and hope that you can shed light to below questions:

    1) Am I eligible to be accredited by EA as a Civil Engineer?
    2) Since my 2 previous employers are from other countries and it’s hard for me to obtain a new Employment Certificate, is it ok to use the old ones which I got years back?

    By the way I am cleared of IELTS taken last February 7, 2009

    Many thanks

    Donato

  59. ianlittle said on October 3, 2009 at 6:28 pm

    Donato – The occupation I think you will best fit in is under the Engineer – Building and Engineering Professionals not elsewhere classified 2129-79. I think you would have trouble as a civil engineer as you are not directly involved in using the technical skills of a civil engineer.

    You may need to make statutory declarations and have your documents witnessed by an approved person if your are using career episodes as part of your CDR. The process is given in the Engineers Australia Migration Skills Assessment booklet. Follow the links to this from our FAQ page.

  60. Rehmat said on October 6, 2009 at 8:07 pm

    Sir I have already written career episodes now I am getting confused how to prepare summary report as it says “how you have applied the element” can I get some words from professional engineer guide e.g.

    PE 2.1 “Ability to identify the nature of a technical problem, make appropriate simplifying assumptions, achieve a solution, and quantify the significance of the assumptions to the realibility of the solution.”

    My brief answer in summary report is ” I identified several problems in the designing and commissioning of projects, using basic knowledge, experience, technical skills, investigating system behaviour and developed its casue and effects.” and then refering with the CE paragraph.

    Could you please guide me, am I on the right track?

    Kind Regards,
    Rehmat

  61. ianlittle said on October 6, 2009 at 9:07 pm

    Rehmat – Your summary should talk of specific events, not general as you have done. Something like “For the XXX project, I improved the preformance of the whatsist by analysing the plant preformance.” It is better to mention one or two by name than put in a general statement. two or three dot point pointing to the refence will do.

  62. Faizan said on October 12, 2009 at 12:37 am

    I am an Electrical Engineer specialisation in Electronics & Telecommunication. I have 2 years of IP communication experience (Cisco). I am bit confused whether should i go for ACS or Engineer Australia. I guess i do not have ample experience for ACS (needs 4 years). Please guide me as i have designed and deployed many projects related to IP communication but feels like that are more related to IT TELECOMMUNICATION. Please guide.

    Regards,
    Faizan

  63. ianlittle said on October 12, 2009 at 8:33 am

    Faizan – It looks like you could fit into the electronics engineer ASCO classification. You could probably pitch a case either as an IT professional or an electronics engineer. You need to look closely at the ASCO definition to ensure you can write CERs which display the engineering and occupation competencies.

  64. Rehmat said on October 14, 2009 at 2:19 am

    Dear Sir

    Could you plz give me a hint for PE 1.4 regarding General Knowledge, what can I mention in this point keeping EPC experience in Petrochemical sector.

    Kind Regards,
    Rehmat

  65. ianlittle said on October 14, 2009 at 6:14 pm

    Rehmat – How about an easy question? This really relates to being able to demonstrate that, in making engineering decisions, you have considered the broader issues such as the business, political, environmental and general public opinion issues. Can you relate your engineering to what is going on in the world? This is very difficult because it is often so obvious you do not deliberately think about it. So the sort of thing may be: ” I did it this way because the alternatives did not meet todays standards for emmissions.” You have worked outside the stantards due to community standards being ahead of the statutory requirements.

  66. Hammad said on October 20, 2009 at 11:59 pm

    Hi Ian,
    With reference to the below mentioned statement from the Migration Skills Assessment Booklet, could you please elaborate that amongst hundreds of different applications, how does the IEAust relate the candidate’s IELTS score with his CDR application as both these document sets will reach them from two separate sources and at different timelines.
    “Original English language test (IELTS) result [if necessary]. You must arrange for this to be forwarded directly to Engineers Australia from the Test Centre.”
    Should I send them the reference IDs for my IELTS test report or the copy of my test report itself?
    Regards,
    Hammad.

  67. ianlittle said on October 21, 2009 at 12:25 am

    Hammad – I don’t know how they do it but they do. Do not send the test report, send the reference IDs with your application and CDR and give the test centre the Emgineers Australia adress you are sending your application to. Make sure the name you use all all your applications and documents is the same. It should be the name on your passport to avoid any confusion.

  68. Lasitha said on October 22, 2009 at 9:31 pm

    I have a Electrical Engineering 4 year degree from a recognized Sri Lankan University. But my work experience are more related to the Electronics Engineering filed under (ASCO) 2125-13 code description. Can I write the CDR as an Electronics Engineer. Does my degree title matter for the Skill Assessment ?

  69. ianlittle said on October 22, 2009 at 10:00 pm

    Lasitha – Good question. It really depends on the types of subjects you did in your course (not the title), your project work and the specific engineering work you are doing now. It helps a lot if they are all consistent. The line between electronics and electrical engineering can be blurred, particularly in the areas of power electronics. So it depends on your specific training and how you demonstrate the competencies for an electronics engineer. It is certainly possible.

  70. ej said on October 26, 2009 at 12:20 am

    Hi ian,
    Is it proper to include illustrations such as diagrams or graphs to visualize what you are explaining in a CDR?
    e.g.
    graphs – to show the causes or effects
    diagrams – to illustrate the positions of certain problem in a circuit or components
    Thank you very much!

  71. ianlittle said on October 26, 2009 at 8:30 pm

    ej – Engineers Australia are not keen on diagrams. They want to hear about the engineering skills you have used to do your engineering rather than the engineering itself.

  72. global123 said on October 27, 2009 at 12:04 am

    Hi,
    I’m an Electronic and telecommunication graduate with 2 years work experience in the telecommunication industry. I have included 2 projects I did in my current work place and the other one is an Electronic project I did @ university. My question is, what are my chances of being successful in CDR process? I’ve got an overall band score of 7.0 in my IELTS.

    Also another small issues… Do I need to send my secondary education certificates (ordinary and advanced level) as well along with university transcript when applying for CDR?

    Thanks you in advance for your concerns….
    This site is really helpfull for us… thanks again.. :)

  73. ianlittle said on October 27, 2009 at 2:19 am

    global123 – If you write your CER reports well and your experience demonstrates engineering competencies you should have no trouble. You do not need to send your secondary educationcertificates. With IELTS you need 7.0 or more in all categories to get extra points in the points test.

  74. Arshad Masih said on October 27, 2009 at 10:06 pm

    Hi Ian,

    can you help me to know about the GSM Mobile Commuincation scope in Australia.

    BR
    Arshad Masih

  75. ianlittle said on October 27, 2009 at 11:49 pm

    Arshad – Type Australian broadband network into youir web browser. This will get you to a range of sites to tell you what is planned and wher it is at. It is early days for jobs yet, but it takes a lot of people to spend $42 billion

  76. keeki said on November 3, 2009 at 1:35 pm

    Hi ianlittle,

    Thank you on behalf of so many you help through this site!

    I am graduate with an Electronic and Telecommunication degree. I have two years of work experience in the field of telecommunication. I have written two CERs one about my final year project and one on a project I did at my current position. I’m hoping to write the third on general work at my current position.
    My question is on my second CER… I have written about a computer based application I wrote for my company. There is no electronic hardware directly associated with it. But I have used my telecommunication knowledge on it. it covers several of the competencies stated in the handbook. Please tell me if it’s a bad idea to use this CER to get my skills accessed for electronics engineer?

  77. ianlittle said on November 3, 2009 at 7:51 pm

    Keeki – Have a look at the ASCO definition of an electronic engineer on the Australian Bureau of Statistics (ABS) site. This includes reference to software development, in particular embedded software. It really depends on what the cpmputer based application was about and the engineering competencies you can demonstrate. Things like analysis, project management, problem solving and all the other engineering skills. It also depends on how well you demonstrate your electronic engineering skills in your other CERs. Do the outlines for all CERs and you summary report first. All this before you write any CER in detail. Go to or FAQ page to find the links to the ABS site.

  78. A.A said on November 10, 2009 at 9:03 pm

    I have completed my Bachelor’s degree (04 years after 12 years education)in Mechanical Engineering. Kindly guide is it fall in professional engineer category or engineering technologist. Your reply shall be appreciated.

    AA – This depends on the University course you did and how well you can demonstrrate the professional competencies in a CDR. You certainly should apply for assessment as a professional engineer. IKL

  79. keeki said on November 11, 2009 at 9:07 pm

    Hi ianlittle,
    Thank you for your great advises. I have one more question. Sticking to word limits a CER would come to about 1500 words if I’m correct? What would the typical word count for the summary statement be? Thanks again!!!

    Keeki – Can’t you read? It’s all in the Migration Skills Asssessment Booklet. It is also in a blog on this site.

  80. Keeki said on November 14, 2009 at 1:19 pm

    Hi Ianlittle,
    Thanks for your advises. But I couldn’t find any word count indication for the field ” a brief summary of how you have applied the element”. I figured it would be a sentence around 20 words, but was it for each competency element or each applicable sub-element? I have heard people submitting summary statements of about 10 pages long, but it sounded weird as it is supposed to be a ‘summary statement’!!!

    Keeki – You have figured it correcly. A short sentence is all you need for each competency. Do not try to address every sub-element. The summary really provides a cross reference so the assessors can find the competencies easily in the 3 CERs from the references in the Summary Report. IKL

  81. Eeman said on November 14, 2009 at 9:48 pm

    Ian,

    With reference to your first comment, I am astound to have been assessed positively by Engineers Australia despite having my CERs each comprising of not less than 20 pages.

    Eeman – I am amazed

  82. andre said on November 18, 2009 at 5:42 pm

    i graduated with a degree in industrial engineering, but worked as an actual industrial engineer for only 2 years, after which i was promoted to supervisory/management roles in the company i worked for, currently i changed jobs and am now doing quality work for the same industry (furniture).

    how do i choose an occupational category? i cant seem to determine to which i belong (prof. engr/associate engr)

    but my biggest dillema is how to make a CDR of being and industrial engineer when i am doing a completely different job – and not the skill which i want to be assesed.

    hope you can give me some insights.

    Andre – You are assessed on your skills and not on your current job. Even if your are supervising your are probably making engineering decisions using engineering skills. Apply for assessment as an engineer and let Engineers Australia make the decision. Look in your Career episodes to use the words of engineering competencies. IKL

  83. suyash said on November 24, 2009 at 10:12 pm

    are there any sample CDRs available or can i access them from somewhere it gives a fair idea plea.

    Suyash – Not any I would recommend. IKL

  84. mohamed nuri said on December 7, 2009 at 8:53 pm

    Hi ,
    This is mohamed.I have prepared my 3 career episode and i am preparing the sumary statement.whether one summary statement is enough or should prepare seperate statement for each episode….kindly help….

  85. ianlittle said on December 7, 2009 at 10:05 pm

    Mohamed – Each CER has a summary statemnet of 50 -100 words to summarise your assessment of the engineering activity in that CER.
    There is only one Summary Statement for the three CERs. This summarises the competencies demonstrated and provides references to the paragraphs in the three CERs.

  86. Rav said on December 12, 2009 at 3:03 pm

    Hi Ian, I’ve done my bachelor of engineering in electronics and communication in India. In Australia, I did my Masters in information and communication technology (related to ACS). I’m just wondering whether I can show my final year engineering project as one of my career episode and two career episodes from my Masters degree.

  87. ianlittle said on December 12, 2009 at 3:49 pm

    Rav – Have you looked at the requirements for applying as a computer professional, maybe doing their professional year. This may be an easier path.
    For engineering assessment the CER topics must relate the nominated occupation. It all depends on the specific competencies you can demonstrate from each CER.

    Have a test run first. Select your three topics and do an outline (ten single line points) for each and assess the competencies each CER will demonstrate. Complete the Summary Statement before you start writing the detail CERs. This will help you make sure you are not demonstrating one competency several times and missing out on others. Remember to look at both the Engineers Australia competencies and the occupation requirements as listed in the Australian Burea of Statistics (ABS) definition for the occupation. The Australian Bureau of Statistics (ABS) website provides detailed descriptions of typical tasks for your chosen occupation.

  88. umm said on December 12, 2009 at 9:54 pm

    Hello Sir/Ma’am. I submitted my CDR in August and I got a reply from the officer who is assigned to assess my CDR stating that ‘two of my CDRs lack sufficient detail of engineering work personally undertaken by me in my nominated occupation- Mechanical field (Bachelors degree)’.

    Although my Masters in in Environmental Engineering, I have written two career episodes based on my Masters degree which are directly related to my Mech drgree (one being research in alternative waste treatment technologies and the other in design of a renewable energy system using software tools). I decided to give my qualifications accessor a call to ask him specifically what he expected from my CDR.as I have written the whole report based on what “I” did in the projects and they both are clearly Mech related. However, my assessor did not clearly communicate what he was expecting from my report. Also, his accent being oriental, I had a very hard time trying to understand him. I am very worried now as I dont really know what to improve in my existing CDR as I followed each and every guideline. Please help. Is there a way I could request for another assessor. If that is possible, would it take another 3 months for the assessment?

  89. ianlittle said on December 12, 2009 at 10:07 pm

    Umm – The appeals process is provided in section 9 of section A of the Migration Skills Assessment booklet. Before having to pay $200 for a formal appeal, your case officer can refer your case to the associate director who will have another officer review it.

    Have you read the occupation description for a professional mechanical engineer on the Australian Bureau of Statistics website? The Australian Bureau of Statistics (ABS) website provides detailed descriptions of typical tasks for your chosen occupation.

    Look at your CERs again, Do fhey talk IN DETAIL about things mechanical engineers do? Such as designing mechanical elements, pipe stressing, writing specifications for mechanical equipment, using engineering skills to solve mechanical problems. Using software tools can be a trap. It is the mechanical engineering aspects that are important, not the software.

  90. Rav said on December 13, 2009 at 9:12 am

    Hi Ian,

    I can apply with my Australian Masters via ACS and I already have 8 in academic IELTS. So I guess I won’t have to spend again on professional year. But the problem is the processing time. It is around 2 years and as I don’t have any work experience it is highly difficult for me to get a job here. Also wondering whether to apply as a professional engineer as my bachelors is a four year program or technologist or associate. Thanks for your valuable suggestions.

  91. ianlittle said on December 13, 2009 at 1:35 pm

    Rav – I think the time for either path will be similar. Unless you can be sponsored you are in for a long wait. Certainly apply as a professional engineer if you take that path. Let the assessment process work through – you will not have to re-apply if the assessment is a lower grade. If your computing skills are on the Critical Skills List that looks the best path to me. The professional year could provide a path to a job.

  92. Nidhi said on December 14, 2009 at 7:31 pm

    hello ian
    i have done biomedical engineering. i m writing my CDR currently. i intend to include a software project which i have done in engg will this be considered relevant? i designed a software for iris identification(biometrics). this has helped me in acquiring image processing skills which form an important part of medical imaging which is a branch of biomedical. do you think stating this as a reason for doing the above project will make this an important career episode for my occupation?
    thanks in advance.

    Nidhi

    The challenge in doing a CER involving softwaer is that the CER is about the biomedical application and the software is a tool to solve a biomedical problem. Concentrate on the application and biommedical issues, not on the tool to develop the solution to a problem.

    Do a test run. Do an outline (ten single line points) and assess the competencies the CER will demonstrate. Complete the Summary Statementfor all three CERs before you start writing the detailed reports. This will help you make sure you are not demonstrating one competency several times and missing out on others. Remember to look at both the Engineers Australia competencies and the occupation requirements as listed in the Australian Burea of Statistics (ABS) definition for the occupation.

  93. ianlittle said on December 16, 2009 at 7:00 pm

    Dimu- I doubt if you will be able to succeed applying as an electronics engineer. You look more like a computing professional to me.

  94. Ala said on December 16, 2009 at 10:46 pm

    Dear Ian,
    I’m about to prepare my CDR. I have done my bachelor back home in “fuel and energy engineering” , and I have done my master in chemical engineering here in Australia. My question is I don’t have too many stuff to write about 3 episodes except those projects that I have done it during my Master. I already had three projects on design and research. Can I use them as my Episodes? how about my undergraduate certificate, in Australian university they accepted my undergraduate certificate as equal to chemical engineering certificate as most of my units where the same as chemical engineering’s unites.
    Thanks very much for your concern and reply.
    Ala

  95. ianlittle said on December 16, 2009 at 10:55 pm

    Ala – Being accepted by a university for study to a htgher degree does not mean Engineers Australia will accept your qualifications. With your studies you should be able to write three career episode reports from your course project work and be accepted as a chemical engineer..

  96. Nishan said on December 26, 2009 at 4:13 pm

    hello ian,
    i have Bsc civil engineering degree & have 6 yrs working experiance in Civil eng feild which catagary can i apply for Aus Eng Assesment? washington accord or non recognize qualification?

    there is no summury statement shown in booklet for non recognize qualification please advise.

  97. ianlittle said on December 26, 2009 at 4:30 pm

    Nishan – I think you will need to work on your English to be able to write a CDR. Your spelling is poor and you are obviously having trouble understanding the Migration Skills Assessment booklet. Summary statements are on pages 18 to 21 of Section C Washington Accord signatories are listed on page 10. You need to go to the Washington Accord website to find your country, univereity, course and year.

    With your standard of English you would not get a job as a professional engineer in Australia.

  98. Nishan said on December 26, 2009 at 4:38 pm

    dear ian,

    is it need IELTS results to attached with CDR Or result sent to drectly from test center?

  99. ianlittle said on December 26, 2009 at 6:03 pm

    Nishan – Do not send the test results with your CDR. Provide test details and test centre.

  100. Mike said on December 29, 2009 at 6:46 pm

    Hi Ian, I am a Mechanical Engineer and I am in process of writing my first Episode. As per comment stated on the 12th, I don’t know if I should provide mechanical or mathematical details like: formulas, Numbers, steps in designing for example a brake system or I should just say: “I started by choosing the hydraulic system. After I measured the pipes and I chose the materials.”
    Please help me, I am really desperate!

  101. ianlittle said on December 29, 2009 at 7:00 pm

    Mike – Skip the formulae, but use engineering words.To choose an hydraulic system you must develop a specification for the system requirements. You need to write about the things you thought about (that is engineering) the what, why and how. Look at the words used in the detailed description of competency elements in the Appendix of the Migration Skills Assessment booklet. These sorts of words should be in you career episode reports.

  102. TuCa said on January 6, 2010 at 3:32 pm

    Hi Ian,

    I was so lucky that I found your website. Happy new year! Wish you and your family happiness and success.

    I am preparing to write my CDR for Engineer Australia assessment. I have just graduated form an Australian university with a Master degree of Electrical Engineering (2 year course-work). Before studying in Australia, I finished my Bachelor degree of Electrical Engineering (5 year course work) in Vietnam.

    1. As mentioned in the Booklet: “Professional Engineer: Academic qualification is an Australian four year professional engineering degree following twelve years of schooling, or equivalent.” Are there any chances for me to apply successfully as a professional engineer?

    2. I have no working experience. I am thinking to use my 3 month internship while I was studying my Bachelor degree to my first Career Episode, and my final thesis of Bachelor course to my second Career Episode. That is all I have, since I didn’t do any thesis or project in my Master course. Could you please give me some suggestion for my third Career Episode.

    Thank you very much.
    TuCa

  103. ianlittle said on January 6, 2010 at 5:03 pm

    TuCa – Your should have a good chance of being assessed as a professional engineer. You could do 2 career episodes on your internship: one around your general work experience and another around a specific task (project) that you did, something like a special assignment you were given. Maybe you could use your masters course as an episode. You must be able to demonstrate a range of engineering competencies from your participation in the course. Remember to do the outlines for all three CERs at the beginning m and then complete a draft Summary Report BEFORE you start writing any CER in detail. Study the competencies so that when you start to prepare your outlines you are thinking about the competencies you need to demonstrate to Engineers Australia.

  104. Jabra said on January 18, 2010 at 11:08 am

    Hi Ian, I am just having trouble with understanding the following sub-element “Understanding of the importance of employing
    feedback from the commissioning process, and
    from operational performance, to effect
    improvements” . So could you please explain it to me with little example?
    Thanks very much

    Jabra

  105. ianlittle said on January 18, 2010 at 4:25 pm

    Jabra – What the examiners want to see is that you are able to get information about how a plant has been started up and is running and learn from that how to do a better job next time. Evidence could be that you have designed a piece of machinery or a plant system more than once and have used information from an existing plant to improve the starting up and operation of the new plant you have designed. You need to provide an example of a job you have done where you have used the experience from an existing design, by talking with the people who started the system and are operating and maintaining it to make your design better.

  106. Mattias Simonsen said on January 23, 2010 at 7:56 am

    To Mr. Ian Little

    I have some questions which I hope you can help me sort out. For you to be able to understand my questions, I have to provide you with a brief outline of my education and work experience.

    In Denmark I have obtained a degree as “Msc. of civil engineering” as well as a PhD.degree within the same area of engineering.

    However, it seems that what is labelled “Civil engineering” in Denmark, is not quite the same as in Australia, and I therefore expect to apply for assessment under the ASCO-code of a “Mechanical Engineer”.

    My majot thesis as well as my PhD degree evolved around experimental and numerical analysis of natural ventilation and airdistribution in rooms.

    I have worked different places and my jobtitles there have been Product Manager and Technical Manager. However – my duties undertaken were that of a mechanical engineer, such as the design of ventilation systems, writing of tecnical information for Air handling units and solving ventilation problems using the mechanical and technical engineering skills obtained at Uni.

    My questions are as follows:

    1. Does my PhD disqualify me for obtaining assessment as a Mechanical Engineer?
    2. Does my jobtitles as Product Manager and Technical Manager disqualify me for obtaining assessment as Mechanical Engineer?
    3. In a precious job I had, I lost my appointmentletter, does this present a problem for the assessment authorities? Naturally I will provide them with a reference letter from this past employer (since I am using it for one of my career-episodes).
    4. Do I need to provide an appointmentletter from my current manager?
    5. Does the fact that my title is “Msc of Civil engineering” present a problem regarding assessment as a Mechanical Engineer?
    In Denmark the Engineering Msc is 5 years long and during those years you specialize into different fields of cengineering, one of those specialities being “Natural ventilation”, the one I chose, and the one I believe fit the description of Mech. Engineering.

    Thanks in advance (and sorry about the lenght of this commment ).
    Mattias Simonsen

  107. ianlittle said on January 23, 2010 at 9:11 am

    Mattias – Your PhD does not disqualify you, but your qualifications will be assessed on your undergraduate degree. You need to provide a transcript which lists the subjects you studied. This will show the assessors you have studied subjects which would come under an Australian mechanical engineering degree.
    You will be assessed on you duties and responsibilities. It is important these are clearly stated in your CV.
    Get the reference letter to include the information the appointment letter had, such as date of appointment and job title and duties.
    Yes. You will be eligible for more visa points with recent relevant experience.
    Again the description of your duties will sort this out. The assessors are experienced in interpreting the qualifications from different countries.

  108. Ian Thew said on January 26, 2010 at 4:47 am

    Hello Ian,
    Can you advise? I currently hold a HNC in Civil Engineering which is accredited under the Sydney Accord. This only entiltles me to the status Engineering Technologist. My migration agent (The Emigration Group) has advised me to try to get Professional Engineer status via the CDR route. My specialism is Asset Management and Pavement Design. I have downloaded the booklet from Engineers Australia, however, in such a “snobby” profession I have concerns that Asset Management and Pavement Design may not be regarded as highly as highway or structures design, although having looked at various recruitment sites there appears to be a need for these skills at present. Have you heard from or advised anyone in this field who has gone down this route? if so were they succesful and can you offer any gems of advice?
    Thanks
    Ian

  109. ianlittle said on January 26, 2010 at 11:26 am

    Ian – Unless the migration agency can give you some examples of success I would not try this route.
    I am noy optimistic it will work. If you can get enough points as a technologist why bother trying a harder route? In the end it will not affect the jobs you will be able to get once you land in Australia. If there are a lot of jobs, why not not try to get a job and be sponsored for a temporary visa and sort things out after 12 months in Australia.
    Asset management is pretty sexy so do not put yourself down. Remember Engineers Australia are looking for engineering competencies which is how you go about the work you do in an engineering sense.

  110. Giuseppe said on February 2, 2010 at 10:00 am

    Hi Ian,

    This website is great and it help me through my CDR. I am now writing my summary table and I am really struggling with the PE1.4 element which says “Broad educational background and/or general knowledge necessary to understand the place of engineering in society”. Iam not sure what’s the right interpretation of this statement and howw I can relate it to my narratives.

    Thank you in advance for your help on this matter.

  111. ianlittle said on February 2, 2010 at 10:21 am

    Giuseppe – This is a very fluffy concept. One part of this, the general education background, is showing your engineering course provided subjects such as management ,economic, and non-engineering components. We are not just technical boffins who respond to request to do thinks. We are expected to have a knowledge of our society and be pro-active in using our skills to improve society. A clear example is in the area of pollution reduction. Engineers play an essential role in designing solutions. In designing infrastructure engineers have a direct affect on society. They must consider the impact of the areas in which they are building facilities. Another example is being able to apply technology in different areas – I know of a company which developed a lightweight walking frame for old people using the disgn tools for designing offshore gas platform structures.

    OK, back to your narrative. Look for an example where your have used your broader general knowledge to influence a design, solve a problem or iinfluence your engineering decision making. A very simple example would be to consider local weather conditions, or influnce of pests such as native animals or insects.

  112. ianlittle said on February 6, 2010 at 10:20 am

    John – I would expect you would be able to gain accreditation as an engineering technologist through Engineers Australia. Your best path to being a professional engineer may be to do a Master of Engineering Practice from the University of Southern Queensland. You can do this by remote learning.

  113. Maulik said on February 9, 2010 at 1:27 pm

    Dear Ian

    I have completed my bachelor degree in Environmental Science in India and Master of Environment + Master of Environmental Engineering from Aaustralia.
    I want my degree to be assessed as an Environmental technologist.
    I did several trainings and project works in different industries when I was in India (Amul Dairy, Kadam Environmental Consultancy, General Motors, Alembic Pharmaceuticals – Pollution management, ETP operator, Environmental Technician respectively).
    While I was doing master degree in Australia, I undertook a thesis in cleaner production technologies (Asia-Pacific perspective). I also have undertook a training in Water and Wastewater Treatment plant.

    Can you please guide me in making my CDR?
    I cannot figure out how to put my skills as an Engineering Technologist in CER 1, 2 and 3.

  114. ianlittle said on February 9, 2010 at 4:33 pm

    Maulik -CER1 your bachelor degree project, CER2 your nasters project, CER3 your training period.

  115. Maulik said on February 10, 2010 at 10:56 am

    Thank you Ian for your precious guidance. I have started writing my CDR. This website is helping me a lot in CDR preparation. Thank you again for your efforts.

  116. Randy Felipe Panaligan said on February 10, 2010 at 1:15 pm

    Dear Ian,

    Good day, I have few question writing a CDR, I have already written 2 career episode. The only problem I have now is my 3rd career episode.
    My first two is I am able to stay in the company for more than 3 years unlike this current job that I have. I am only 2 year and 2 months, as a Field Service Engineer for 2 different companies.
    I will need your expert advise. How will I write my CDR for my 3rd career episode.

    Regards
    Randy Panaligan

  117. ianlittle said on February 10, 2010 at 4:52 pm

    Randy – In all that experience you must have some special project or problem you can write about. It is not about length of time in a job, it is about demonstrating you understand and apply the tskills and knoeledge of a professional engineer.

  118. Usman Akram said on February 10, 2010 at 7:13 pm

    Dear Ian,

    Many thanks for the effort you guys are imparting. I have successfully received the Assessment letter referring Professional Engineer/Electronics Engineer. Sir, credit goes to you and Project Australia.
    I have a question regarding Engineers Australia membership. Currently, I am hired by a new telecommunication company Mobilink as a NOC Engineer. More over, before this I haven’t got 3 years experience exact and now I believe I must wait 4-6 months for my experience to pass 3 years. In this case, do i need to send a new career episode for a new job plus employment letter? if not then please guide me accordingly. looking forward for your advice and suggestion.

    One more thing do i need membership for the job hunt in Australia market?

    Best wishes

  119. ianlittle said on February 10, 2010 at 10:25 pm

    Usman – oCngratulations. You will be able to apply for jobs and work as a professional engineer without being a member of Engineers Australia. Your qualifications have been accredited for stage 1, graduate level. To become a full member, stage 2 or chartered engineer (CPEng) you need to produce an Engineering Practice Report (EPR). This is a major task. Go to the Engineers Australia website and follow the links to get chartered status. In theory you can achieve chartered status in 3 years. In practice it will take four or five years. In Australian terms, your are a currently a graduate or trainee engineer. Hopefully your employer is a professional development plan partner and will assist you in achieving the experience necessary to complete your EPR.

  120. Rathan said on February 11, 2010 at 12:24 am

    According to new MODL change (February 8th 2010) How it affects CDR? Do we need to write CDR anymore? Any comments?

  121. ianlittle said on February 11, 2010 at 8:12 pm

    Rathan – Yes you will still have to have your qualifications assessed as the first step towards any skilled migrant visa. You need to prepare a CDR if your engineering qualification is not recognised by Engineers Australia.

  122. johnpaul said on February 17, 2010 at 9:27 pm

    Hi , Ian i hope you are doing well. I have a query with me.
    I am currently pursuing masters in Advanced manufacturing technology and would wish to know whether can i submit my CDR during my third semester of study. Since is it mandatory to submit it during residency application lodging process or can i do it earlier.

  123. ianlittle said on February 18, 2010 at 4:36 am

    Johnpaul – As the qualification assessment is based on you undergraduate degree, and not a post graduate qualification (your masters) it is irrelevant whether you have completed your masters. You will be assessed on your CDR career episodes and your base qualification.

  124. johnpaul said on February 22, 2010 at 3:38 pm

    In addition can i incorporate a study project in one of my episodes…
    should that be briefly explained, so as to describe them of my whole study..

  125. ianlittle said on February 22, 2010 at 4:34 pm

    Johnpaul – A study project should be a good to demonstrate a range if competencies.

  126. John said on February 23, 2010 at 12:55 pm

    Hi Ian,

    I was messed around by the agency i had employed to look after my ENS case.

    I have since taken my files back i’m looking after it myself now.

    I notice they have posted my typed up CRD and not the hand written part (which they have binned)

    I since called to make sure this was the correct thing to do – they assured me that Engineers Australia would not accept hand written CDRs.

    I’ve read the CDR outline and I think that i’m right on this one.

    thanks

    John

  127. ianlittle said on February 23, 2010 at 5:38 pm

    John – They are correct. Would you expect a professional to send you a handwritten document? Of course not.

  128. john etheridge said on February 23, 2010 at 9:57 pm

    hi, i am just on the begining of the cdr journey. done lots of research. i have an unrecognised degree in product design and manufacture( the year 1998 onwards is recognised). i have been a mechanical design engineer since 1996 and want to apply as a professional engineer(Mechanical)
    can I include my final year project as 1 career episode.

    kr
    john

  129. ianlittle said on February 24, 2010 at 4:51 am

    John – Yes. You have to be able to demonstrate the competencies. Do a draft first and a draft summary.

  130. Ahmed said on February 25, 2010 at 1:21 am

    Hello,

    I’m a Mechatronics Engineer. Engineers Australia considers Mechatronics Engineering as a branch of Electronics Engineering, my knowledge and experience are not only dedicated in Electronics Engineering, so how can I deal with this?

    Thanks in advance.

  131. ianlittle said on February 25, 2010 at 11:47 am

    Ahmed – The definition is broad. Engineers Australia views the control component of mechatronics to be electrical control. mechatronics can be very mechanical and fit under mechanical. look at the definitions Go to the Australian Bureau of Statistics (ABS) website and see the detailed occupation definitions. The links are available from our FAQ blog page. Pick an occupation that is consistent with the subjects in your course and your engineering competencies. You need to be able to write CDRs which are consistent with the occupation and engineering level definitions. In the end if Engineers Australia think you have chosen the wrong occupation they will accredit you for the occupation they see you fit (by their definition). Do not get hung up on what you call yourself. Thje game is played under Engineers Australia rules.

  132. Guntur said on March 10, 2010 at 4:49 pm

    Dear Ian,

    Can I use my engineering education during Master of Engineering and PhD in Engineering studies as sources of career episodes?

    Thanks in advance.

    Regards,
    GTJ

  133. ianlittle said on March 10, 2010 at 8:27 pm

    Guntur – Yes

  134. Rajesh J said on March 26, 2010 at 3:23 pm

    Hi Ian,
    After my engineering (ECE), I did MS ( both in India) and now have nearly 2.5 years industrial experience. In CDR application form it is stated a requirement of 3 year industrial experience. Does my masters degree add any additional weight. Do they follow strict rule for experience duration or can I apply now??

    Thanks in advance.

    Regards,
    Rajesh J.

  135. ianlittle said on March 26, 2010 at 4:07 pm

    Rajesh J – You have misunderstood something. There is no experience period specified for qualifications assessment. You can apply now.

  136. Nash said on April 4, 2010 at 1:25 pm

    Dear Ian,

    I had a doubt regarding my IELTS. What should I do if I have already received my test report and had not directed my test center to send the results to Engineers Australia? Can I still go to the test centre and ask them to send a copy to EA or is it enough if I just give my test centre details and candidate number?

  137. ianlittle said on April 4, 2010 at 4:44 pm

    Nash – Don’t mess about. Do both. This is far too important to get wrong.

  138. Ammara Khalid said on April 7, 2010 at 2:47 pm

    Hi I am from Pakistan and m graduate in Bsc (Agricultural Engineering) 4 Years and then MBA (Management) please help me. I have non-recognised Engineering qualifications. Please I am a bit confused in writing CDR. How to start.
    Regards,
    Ammara Khalid

  139. ianlittle said on April 7, 2010 at 2:55 pm

    Ammara – Read through all the comments and answers associated with this topic on this site. I have addressed this many times for other people.

  140. martin said on April 14, 2010 at 1:41 am

    Dear Ian,

    I am a mechanical engineer working in Oil and Gas construction.
    I have written 3 episodes based on my construction experience. I demonstrated my construction experience than my engineering knowledge.

    I included my experience in pipeline and piping work and also demonstrated my engineering skill in a SIMPLE way.

    What you think about my field of experience? Is it a demandable field in AUustralia?

    Hope u will reply soon,
    Martin

  141. ianlittle said on April 14, 2010 at 1:45 pm

    Martin – Your CDR must be about your mechanical engineering competencies, that is the occupation you will be applying for assessment and a visa.
    There are ample opportunities in gas pipelines in Australia, particularly in the coal seam methane projects in Queensland.

  142. JMT said on April 15, 2010 at 4:40 pm

    Dear Ian,
    I’d read one query of a Civil Engineer with Quantity Surveying experience.Can you please advise me for the following queries since I’m preparing a CDR with my Quantity Surveying experience though I’m not graduate in Quantity Surveyor, but in Civil Engineering.
    1.Will the CDR with Quantity Surveying experience get approved?
    2.On which category I;ve to submit my CDR?
    Thanks in advance
    JMT

  143. ianlittle said on April 15, 2010 at 6:41 pm

    JMT – I think you will have trouble getting accreditation as a civil engineer. See the requirements forQuantity Surveyor assessment. Note that quantity surveyors are not assessed by Engineers Australia.

  144. sugu said on April 22, 2010 at 12:40 am

    Hi there

    A quick question. I did my BE (Mech) in 1996 and work in industries until 2000. After that I joined the university as research officer (2001-2002) and completed my M.Eng (Research). After that as lecturer from 2002 till now. I completed my PhD in Mechanical Engineering in 2009 from Australia. EA asked me to submit CDR for assessment. I have completed quite a number of projects related to mechanical engineering from 2002-2009 (including master and PhD). How should I mention in the CDR that these projects are done from academic positions. I have employer reference from 2002 till current (university). I plan to use my master, phd and one of my master student research as CDR, is it possible? Please advise

  145. ianlittle said on April 22, 2010 at 1:20 am

    Sugu – You include the background information in the introduction section of each career episode report. Remember the career episode reports are not about work experience they are narratives where you demonstrate your engineering competence, as defined by Engineers Australia in the Skills Assessment handbook.

  146. martin said on April 22, 2010 at 2:06 am

    Dear Ian,
    Is it mandatory to attest all the experience certificate?

  147. ianlittle said on April 22, 2010 at 5:08 pm

    Martin – It is only necessary to attest the experience used for your career episode reports.

  148. rex said on April 30, 2010 at 6:14 pm

    Dear Ian,
    I have beed informed by my Migration agent that the assessment body of australia is going to revise their policies for assessment immediately. Do ypu have any knowledge about this and if yes can you just brief it here.

    Regards
    Rex

  149. ianlittle said on May 1, 2010 at 4:00 am

    Rex – Yes the skilled occupation list (SOL) and the points test are being reviewed. No one knows what the outcome will be. The dates fo implementation are being delayed (Governments find it hard to make decisions)

  150. Ayman said on May 1, 2010 at 9:42 pm

    Dear Ian,
    I graduated as an electrical engineer in 2005, i worked for 2 years as a project coordinator who prepare all the (mechanical, electrical & plumbing) requirements for site, then I worked for 3 years as site engineer supervising and executing (mechanical, plumbing & electrical) works.
    In preparation of CDR, it should focus only in electrical or cover all 3 fields?
    Thanks

  151. ianlittle said on May 1, 2010 at 11:05 pm

    Ayman – You are trying to get accreditation as am electrical engineer so you should concentrate on these competencies.

  152. Meldwyn Abad said on May 6, 2010 at 1:16 pm

    Hi Ian
    I’m working with my narrative report for the Stage 1 Competency for Engineers Australia. I’ve done two reports, all about my engineering employment in the Philippines as a Civil Engineer. The last report I’m working on is about the educational program I recently attended which is MSc in Structural Engineering (part time) in UK. I hold a PR visa in Australia and already residing for 3 months. Is it ok to make this part time course I attended for the last report?

  153. ianlittle said on May 6, 2010 at 2:49 pm

    Meldwyn – It is not a work experience report. The report is about demonstrating engineering competencies. You do not write about your job. You write about things you have done which demonstrate you have the engineering competencies. So it does not matter that the engineering competencies were attained through part time work.

  154. Adil Aziz said on May 8, 2010 at 10:45 pm

    Dear Ian,

    Can you please help me out on the following points:

    1. Im a graduate (Electrical) from NED Univeristy (Pakistan); I believe i will have to apply through Non recognized qualifications

    2. Are the below events enough for Reports that need to be submitted?

    2.1 Currently working as sales engineer & looking into 2 big projects at the same time.
    2.2 Have worked in cogeneration company(2 months)
    2.3 I have interned in Oil Refinery( 4 weeks)
    2.4 Final Year Project

    Thanks,
    Adil

  155. ianlittle said on May 8, 2010 at 11:06 pm

    Adil – You have a non-recognised qualification so will need to do a CDR. The career episode reports are about demonstrating engineering competencies. I suggest you look to write two reports about projects or specific incidents or problems you have solved (your final year project can be one of these) and one about one of your work experience. Select and write three outlines. Each about ten one line points. Then work out what competencies you will be able to demonstrate from each point. next complete the Summary Report. From this you will see which competencies you have demonstrated many times and which competencies you have missed. Revise you point form outline until you are satisfied that you have covered all competencies as well as you can. the CER about one of your jobs will provide a good opportunity to include competencies not include in project work.

  156. rajesh said on May 14, 2010 at 12:28 pm

    hi there i have done my computer science engineering from India. I have ielts all 6. i have completed 3 projects based on c++,,java, visual basic. I would like to get assessed as a computer engineer. would i be eligible to get assessed as a computer engineer

  157. ianlittle said on May 14, 2010 at 5:34 pm

    Rajesh – I doubt it. You seem like a computer programmer who would be assessed by the Australian Computer Society (ACS). Computer engineers fit under electronics engineers. Have a look at the ASCO definition for an electronics engineer. Follow the links from our FAQ blog page.

  158. johnpaul said on May 21, 2010 at 6:27 am

    Hi, Ian how you doing?
    How do i report my IELTS score to engineers australia. I had taken that exam back in India in sep-2008, is that valid enough to apply, since i reckon IELTS is valid for two years….
    do suggest

  159. ianlittle said on May 21, 2010 at 10:43 am

    Johnpaul – Read the Engineers Australia Migration Skills Assessment booklet and it tells you . reckoning is not really a sound approach for something so important.
    You must arrange for an original IELTS Test Report Form (TRF) to be sent to Engineers Australia directly from the Test Centre. The test certificate must be less than 2 yers old on the date your application form ARRIVES at Engineers Australia.

  160. Rohit said on May 25, 2010 at 2:35 pm

    hi ….i have completed instrumentation engineering…which is out of sol but it is similar to electrical engineering….can i apply to engg aust as an electrical engineer…as i have done my project in plc which is a electrical engg concept.

    You could apply either as an electrical or an electronics engineer. You need to look at the ANZSCO definitions for each, and your specific experience to see which occupation you fit closest to. You can see the ANSCO definitions on the Australian Bureau of Statistics (ABS)web site.

  161. Sau said on June 7, 2010 at 12:28 pm

    Dear Ian, I have gone through your website and it looks really great. Indeed you are helping needy people and aspirants like me. I wanted your suggestion on following matter :

    I am working in Oil & Gas Industry since year 1997 and placed as Senior Planning Engineer in an Operating Company.

    I did Higher National diploma in Mechanical Engineering (after 12th exams) 3 years fulltime course from India (year 1997) and got selected in Campus Interview conducted by EPC Major in India itself.

    Having worked for various departments initially, I was assigned with Project Controls work primarily Planning, scheduling, Cost, Engineering & materials coordination etc. In the process and having spent few years in Project Controls, I felt necessity to undertake Engineering Graduation course due to multidiscipline environment of Oil & Gas Projects. Hope you can understand well because you worked for Worley Parsons !!!
    Hence I started pursuing BS in Engineering & Technology degree (6 semesters/ 3 years) in Multidiscipline Engineering, which was WILP (Work integrated learning programme) from BITS – Pilani India. The selection criteria for BS E&T was ‘Employed persons in Engineering Industries with minimum 2 years work experience and a Technical Diploma / B.Sc. or its equivalent with adequate background in Mathematics. Employer consent with suitable mentor availability will be additional requirements’. Apart from Merit List obviously.
    I completed BS in year 2006. In the meantime I left India and worked for couple of companies in SE Asia including one Engineering & Project Management Consultancy before moving and joining Present Organization. My total experience is now exceeding 13 years in this field.

    Well, now I want to migrate to Australia with a Professional Engineer degree accreditation. Can you help me in guiding me 1) Can I apply for Professional Engineering accreditation 2) Can I apply Mechanical Engineering as my Major Engineering subject. I understand there is no multiple discipline Engineering course appearing on MODL/ SODL List. 3) Appreciate if you could also suggest me a good Migration agent who can undertake my case professionally.

    Thanks a Lot in advance.

    Rgds..Sau

  162. ianlittle said on June 7, 2010 at 12:40 pm

    Sau – The only engineering occupation I can see you fitting is as an Professional Engineer (nec) = not elsewhere classified. You have skills and experience which are in demand and you should not have any trouble getting a job in Queensland or Western Australia. You will need to wait and see what happens with the new guidelines to be published soon. Another possibility may be engineering manager. Engineers Australia could take the general post graduate qualification plus your three years basic qualification as equivalent to a 4 year Australian degree. I suggest you send an email to Engineers Australia and ask them. The contact details are on their website. If you make an application as a mechanical engineer and Engineers Australia think you fit better in another occupation they will either give you accreditation as another occupation or ask for more details. They will not simply throw out your application so you have to pay more money to apply again. Seeking employer sponsorship may be your best path.

  163. ianlittle said on June 24, 2010 at 4:00 pm

    Naga – It does not matter what people in different countries call you. Look at the ASCO occupation definition. This is what Engineers Australia will use to assess you. You are clearly an electronics engineer.

  164. Naga said on June 25, 2010 at 10:57 am

    Ian Little, I am new to this website. Really appreciated your service,
    In Short,
    I have completed my Electronics Engineering degree. I have 12 years experience in embedded software (writing Firmware using Assembly and C) in different countries. All my experience letters shows different different designations for example,
    Indian Company shows Software Engineer, Korean Company Shows Sr. Technical Engineer, and USA Company shows Sr. Programmer Analyst (Embedded Systems).
    However, my role is to design and develop Software and Firmware for Digital boards (Ex. Board Support Package, Device Drivers, and Interrupt handling…..)
    My question is Am I eligible for Engineering Assessment or IT professional Assessment

  165. ianlittle said on July 8, 2010 at 8:27 am

    Singh -You may well be a technologist, but certainly not an engineering technologist. You need to look at medical related occupations.

  166. Shyam said on July 17, 2010 at 6:37 pm

    Hi its shyam. I have just simple question. Do i need to subbmit IELTS score to get access if i have studied 1- 2 years of course in Australia.

  167. ianlittle said on July 18, 2010 at 8:07 am

    Yes

  168. rex said on July 29, 2010 at 1:41 pm

    Hi Ian ,

    Wher are you? No posts from the last month.

  169. Joe said on August 5, 2010 at 4:13 pm

    hi Ian.
    have completed my Electrical and telecommunication Engineering degree and I got my Qualification validated from Greenwich university in UK but my study was in Egypt. do I still have to do the CDR or I cant apply for Washington accord ??

  170. ianlittle said on August 7, 2010 at 4:58 pm

    Joe – You will need to do a CDR as you have not studied in a university in a Washington Accord signatory country. Accreditation by Engineers Australia is the only accreditation that is recognised.

  171. ianlittle said on August 7, 2010 at 4:58 pm

    Hi Rex – I have had a holiday

  172. elaine said on August 10, 2010 at 12:02 am

    hi ian,
    I am an agricultural engineer from india.
    one of the projects i want to include in the cdr is some research work i did in the food industry,.. the problem is that it is related to agricultural science and not agricultural engineering . Can i still use it and try to explain the engineering concepts related to the equipment i used?

  173. ianlittle said on August 10, 2010 at 7:54 pm

    Elaine – The CDR has to demonstrate how you have employed engineering competencies in the episode. It is not enough to just write about agricultural engineering done by others. Write down about ten one line points of things you are thinking of writing about. Then mark which competencies you can demonstrate. If there are not enough. Lokk for another topic.

  174. saghir said on September 7, 2010 at 4:39 am

    Dear Ian,

    This is in reference of my comments made on 29th july 2009. My CDR got approved and I applied for visa, now waiting of my medical to come. All the documentation has been completed. I would like to thank you for your guidance and support which ultimaltely made my CDR got approved by engineers austraila.
    You are doing a humanitarian work, God bless you. Ian, please inform me what sort of books are available that can help engineers getting job easily in australia.

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