December 16th, 2008 » CDR Preparation
Writing a CDR – Secrets of Success
Preparing competency demonstration reports (CDRs) required by Engineers Australia for qualification assessment for engineers migrating to Australia baffles everyone.
People writing career episodes go into a state of mind-numbness at the seeming complexity of the task. They forget basic principles of report writing.
Let’s have a look at basic report writing.
Report Writing 101
The fundamentals of writing any report are:
understand the purpose of the report
provide the reader with the information they want
write in a language and style that the reader wants and will understand
Here is how these basic principles apply to writing career episode reports for a CDR application.
Purpose of the career episode reports
The purpose of the episode reports in a CDR is to demonstrate to Engineers Australia you can apply you knowledge and skills at a level of a professional engineer, technologist or associate. The occupation you have nominated for immigration purposes
In Engineers Australia language – demonstrate your competencies.
IT IS ABOUT
Providing detail of what you have done to show the Engineers Australia assessors you have the competencies given in the elements and sub-elements for the discipline and level you are applying for recognition as. These competencies are listed in the Appendices of the Engineers Australia Migration Skills Handbook.
IT IS NOT ABOUT:
- what the company you were employed by has done
- the size and market position of your company
- the technical details of the project or job you have done
- how well you were respected or your status
- your unsubstantiated claims of skills or knowledge
Before you select a topic for a career episode and start writing, read and study in detail the Engineers Australia competencies.
Provide Engineers Australia the information they want
Engineers Australia want details.
- Details of YOUR thought processes and actions
- Evidence of your actions and the results
- Details related to the competencies
- Details for all sub-elements of all elements of all competencies
It is not enough to say ” We overcame a number of problems” Provide details, such as. “After initial test of the prototype, the rate of response was outside the tolerances required in the design specification. I analysed the circuit design and could not identify a design error. I then devised a series of tests to identify the cause. The tests were selected to isolate the effects of the different input parameters and the operating environment. I identified that an input transducer was being affected by vibration. I researched catalogues and replaced the transducer with a more robust component. I redesigned the control circuitry to accommodate the characteristics of the new components. I retested the system and it worked within specification.( PE 2.1)
You must be able to relate every paragraph in you CDR to a competency element.
If you look at the competencies required in competency element PE 2.1 for professional engineers you will see there are four sub-elements To claim the element you need to give evidence of actions which tell of things you have done to meet every sub-element. In brief for PE 2.1 the sub-elements are about assessing assumptions, original analysis, multidisciplinary factors and relating cause and effects.
Analyse each paragraph to be sure it provides the assessors with evidence of things you have done to demonstrate you have all the competency elements and sub-elements.
Write in the language and style that Engineers Australia want
There is the English language, the Australian language, and Engineers Australia language. The Engineers Australian “dialect” for writing career episode reports is a prescriptive writing style. It has the following characteristics:
- It is personal. The most frequently used word must be “I”
- It is active. I planned, I calculated, I measured, I obtained feedback, I researched – I did it my way.
- It is simple and clear
- It is full of facts and detail – THERE SHOULD BE NO UNSUBSTANTIATED CLAIMS
- Everything relates to engineering competencies
Many of your career episodes will be working as part of a team. That is fine. You need to demonstrate you can interact and provide leadership and obtain support in a team. Your episode must clearly write about what you did as part of the team. “I prepared the technical scope for the supply of a new heat exchanger…..”
What is an unsubstantiated claim ? It is simply a claim with no evidence: for example ” I developed a good working relationship with the production team.” You need to add evidence of the actions you took to develop this relationship to turn it from an assertion into evidence. This could be done by adding ”…..by providing written progress reports, holding weekly meetings, and getting their feedback on proposed design modifications.”
With every sentence you write, ask this question – “Do these words tell Engineers Australia about something I have done personally; actions which show them I have applied part(s) of elements of a competency?”
Don’t tell Engineers Australia what you know or how clever you are, tell them what you have done. This provides proof you can apply your knowledge: you have the competencies they are looking for. Engineers Australia assess your knowledge and skills from what you have done.
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108 Comments
Thank you Ian, your information is really helpful.
However, i have some questions regarding the summary statement.
1) Roughly how many words should i write for each sub-element under ” a brief summary of how you have applied the element” section? how far should i descibe?
2) It seems that some sub-elements have a lot of “sub-criteria”, e.g. PE2.3 has 8 “criteria”. Do i have to fullfill/describe every single one of them ? What if i can’t fulfill all of them?
Thank you.
Tom
Tom – To me abrief summary would be a single sentence of about 20 words. remember that you already have a reference to the paragraph.
Do not expect to get every element of every unit. Some elements you will cover very well and other elements not so well. Think of it like you would an examination. You do not need to get 100% for every question to pass.
Dear Ian,
Thank you very much for the information your website provides. It is very helpful especially that it is dedicatd to the engineering community.
I have two very important questions regarding my CDR:
“I have a degree in Electronics and Communications engineering. What occupation do you think I should nominate taking into consideration that I have been and currently employed as a systems administrator and communcations engineer at an IT company?”
“Will my experience at an IT company be considered as an engineering experience because there was not much of DESIGN involved?”
Thank you very much in advance.
Mourad – There can be considerable overlap between elctronics and communications engineering and IT.That is why there are Informations Communications Technology (ICT) technologists. Lack of design is not the real issue. To be accredited as an engineer you have to demonstrate you have the engineering competencies which are defined in the the Migration Skills Assessment Handbook. What the company you work for does or your job description are not important – your competencies are all important.
Hi, thank you for the very helpful information. I am a french graduate engineer, i worked over a year as a production engineer and want to apply for a skilled migrants visa, but I only have 1 work experience in that field. Can I write 2 career episodes reports about 2 differents tasks I did while working for a single company? The third one will be about my final project at uni.
Thank you very much for your help
Charlotte
Charlotte – Qualifications assessment is not about time or your job. In your one years experience you should be able to write two career episode reports. These could be about separate projects or assignments you have worked on, or maybe one project and the other covering your work in general. The challenge is to be able to write about things you have done, and how you have done them to demonstrate that you have the competencies of a professional engineer. These are defined by Engineers Australia in the Migration Skills Assessment Handbook. The other part is to demonstrate the application of the production engineering discipline as defined by the ASCO code. The references to the appropriate sites are on our FAQ page.
I suggest you select three career episode report topics and prepare a brief outline for each. About ten one line sentences. Assess which competencies each of these will demonstrate. Then assess what is missing and what may be repeated more than once. Look for additional points to cover competencies you have missed and to strengthen your reports. Do not start writing in detail until you are satisfied that your outlines cover all the competencies as best you can. Do not panic if you do not cover every competency fully. No one gets 100% in an exam (almost no one anyhow).
Your written English is good so you should not have too much trouble.
Hello Sir/Ma’am
I have been so glad to read those information you give above. That is real help, I think.
I am wondering that it is alright to write this kind of question here.
Well, I have been thinking to apply for Skill Assessment for my PR.
I studied Electronic engineering course in WA, which gave me a Advanced diploma of Electronics Engineer. After having completed is, I came back, and I finished my Bachelor degree for Electronics Engineering( I studied Electronics Engineering before studying in WA. )
Now I am working for designing semiconductor device’s interface part. Mainly my career is for DRAM memory interface, DRAM data control digital logic circuits, and IBIS(Input/Output Buffer information specification) information for potential customers and solving problems related with them.
What I want to ask is that
- Am I on the right way to getting PR as writing CDR for being assessed by Engineer Australia?( as I know, there is no business area for semiconductor design in Australia)
- Also I am confused whether it is okay writing my episodes of my career in DRAM Memory design which there is no business in Australia.
I must say THANK YOU IN ADVANCE.
P.S. I will be pretty glad that you would understand my poor English. If there are anything wrong above my questions, please correct me.
Jeonghun – You need to really work at you comprehension and writing. Read the Engineers Australia Migration Skills Handbook. Your Australian university degree is an accredited qualification. So the good news is you do not need to prepare a CDR for stage 1 qualification recognition.
Go to the Engineers Australia website and read about gaining chartered status (stage 2 competence). This is your next step in gaing professional recognition (this is nit necessary for migration purposes)
Hi again^^
I am really thankful about your advice. Sure I think I need to study more.
Well, there are a few things that I need to make sure about your reply.
It was an Advanced Diploma of Electronics Engineering in TAFE, not in a University. (Unfortunately) Also when I studied in TAFE, I was temperarily out of my University. I finished my 2 years in Bachelor for Electronics Engineering, and I studied 3 years in TAFE for Advanced diploma of Electronics including 1 year study of English, and then I finished my Bachelor after coming back from Australia.
Then would think of my questions again?
What I want to ask is that
- Am I on the right way to getting PR as writing CDR for being assessed by Engineer Australia?( as I know, there is no business area for semiconductor design in Australia)
- Also I am confused whether it is okay writing my episodes of my career in DRAM Memory design which there is no business in Australia.
I must say THANK YOU IN ADVANCE again.
Jeonghun – I can only comment on qualifications assessment. You need to talk to a migration agent about PR.
I understand you have an Australian diploma , an accredited qualification, and a foreign electronics degree,which is a non-accredited qualification. If you read the qualifications assessment requirements in the Migration Skills Assessment booklet you will not see any reference to Australian industry needs. You have a choice of not doing a CDR if you apply as an engineering technologist, or applying as a professional engineer and doing a CDR. Your CDR has to demonstrate you have engineering competencies in electronic engineering as defined by the typical tasks in the ASCO definitions. Your career episodes must be based on work experience after you have graduated as an electronics engineer. Your problem is not with qualifications assesment – it will be getting a job. Can you drive a taxi?
Ian, thanks for this information it has been very helpful. I had started on my CERs and I definitely have to redo all of them. You are a star. Keep up the good and selfless work. I most appreciate.
Hi, Ian
I hold the degree of engineering science(3 year) from Australia university, and after that I continued my studying by taking one year Master of engineering study in Australia. Now I get the this master degree.
Bad thing is I don’t have working experience, and I want to apply for Professional engineer.
Good thing is I have first-class honour in that 3 years bachelor degree, and I published one conference paper.
How likely could I get the Professional qualification?
Thank you for your thought.
Cliff
Lifu – You need a 4 year Australian engineering degree or equivalent. go to the Engineers Australia website and see if you have completed an accredited course.
Hi Ian,
What is the ideal number of paragraphs in a career episode? I understand that each career episode is a unique case. But generically, would it be better if the paragraphs are kept long and less in number, or short and more in number?
Hammad – Short and more paragraphs is a lot easier to read. A CER is around 1000-1500 words. A paragraph should only cover one competency and its elements. Typically I suggest you make a CER outline of ten single lines, then check how this demonstrates competencies. Expand each of these into about 5 t0 6 sentences. This gives a pragraph of about 10-12 lines. that is easy to read.
Hi Ian,
Im a Filipina desin engineer with 4-year experience in power supply design and applying for a subclass 175 visa. Last weekend, I wrote my 3 career episodes. I know that my CDR was not yet final as I would need a lot of editing to make it more concise and put more emphases on my competencies. One episode I wrote in such a way as if I am telling a story of the highlights of the project that I handled that I felt like Im writing a blog in an engineering website. Im afraid that if would sound too informal to the assessor. I just did it to let the reader get a full grasp of my compentencies.
Although I assume that a qualified engineer with the same profession as I am will be the one to assess my application, I just want to simplify the especialized jargons that I think are unique in the company that I worked with. Shall I keep the narration too serious and promote a business-like atmosphere in my writings?
Thanks in advance!
Chocola – Your CDR does not need to be formal . It is your story. You should have “I” in it many times – I analysed, I assessed, etc. You should not be writing about project highlights. You must write about engineering things you have done. Make sure you are writing proper English, not abbreviated text or slang. It must also be active. You do not have to have old fashioned formal writing to be business like. I think you are on the right track. Look at the style in Project Australia and in this blog – that will work.
Hi Ian,
Thank you very much for the useful information you provided.
As a biomedical engineer, I am wondering if a qualty management system for medical devices which I implemented in a medical device manufacturer company can be a good example of competency to be stated as one of my CDRs.
Would you advise me on that please?
Somayeh – It could be. Doing quality assurance type work is more in line with an engineering technologist or associate as it can be assessing preformance or quality based on rules developed by others. If you developed or modified the system, doing such work as determining the standards and assessing the impact of the system and devising improvements to the products and the QA system. Test out the competencies you can demonstrate by writing down about 10 one line actions which make the outline for the career episode report (CER). Then think about what you would write about and list the competencies you can claim for that CER. Then see how you can improve it and demonstrate additional competencies. Remember to write about problems, technical and management. You will always be able to demonstrate engineering skills solving problems. Also include specific issues related to biomedical engineering because you have to demonstrate occupation as well as engineering level.
Sir,
I would really appreciate it if you answer my query. I have completed 4 years B tech degree course in Electronics and Communication department from recognized University in India.Also i hold masters degree in power engineering from Australia.Can i get positive skill assessment on the basis of projects i have completed during my course though i have no experience.My ielts score is 7.
Anil – You will be assessed on your undergraduate qualification, as an electronics engineer. You should be able to demonstrate the electronic engineer competencies through power electronics career episodes. look at the occupation description on the Australian Skills Recognition Information site (ASRI). It is these specific engineering skills you must demonstrate.
Hi Ian,
I hold bachelors degree in Electronics and telecommunication. I got admission in master’s degree course in power engineering (electrical) in university of Sydney. Please tell me whether I should do this course or I should do course in network engineering (electronics) so that I can get positive skill assessment in the future. Can I get assessed if possible as Electrical and Electronics Engineer?
Varun – It is easiest to demonstrate an occupation if all your studies and work experience are relevant to that one occupation. I think you would be much better off doing a course in network electronics. You need to do some investigation of the likely job opportunities for the two course options. An alternative could be power electronics in power electrical engineering.
Thank you very much.
Can you please tell me that which course power engg or network engg has better scope for jobs in Australia.In which field of Electronics and Electrical Engineering there are many jobs available.If possible please notify me any website where i can find information about job opportunities
Varun – Go to web sites such as my career and seek or any of the newspaper sites such as the Westralian. You could try Hobsons.
Ian – First off thank you for this blog.
I have Australian unaccredited qualitifications in engineering related fields (project management and computer aided drafting). I am am employed as an Senior Technical Officer – Civil and have 8 years continual work experience. I have contacted IEA regarding the viability joining as an Engineering Associate(Officer Level). Subsequently, IEA have suggested I apply via demonstrating stage 1 competency. I have written 2 narratives at this time but have a few queries:-
1. With regard to the overall form of the narratives and being that one would look to limit length to around 1000-1500, can you demonstrate more than 1 competency per paragraph? Being that I am writing about the design process I followed, I feel I have demonstrated 4/5 elements in paragraph, plus I do not think my paragraphs are too lengthy.
2. Some competency elements call for experience with equipment and plant, coming from a mainly design/drafting background my experience in this area is limited. I am expected to address these criteria? If so, could ’software & processes’ replace ‘plant & equipment’?
3. With regard to the Summary Table section. I am now aware that I need to write a short description of how I addressed said unit of competency but I am unsure of the overall form of summary. ie how it is to be presented.
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Keep up the good work.
Jay – 1. It is likely that you will have more than one competency in most paragraphs. If your paragraph is more than about ten lines it is too long. Remember short paragraphs make your CER easier to read.
2. For a civil engineer the plant and equipment is more the civil structural aspects such as roads drains, cut and fill or the columns and beams of structures. You need to be able to demonstrate you understand what ciivil engineering is all about as well as what the designtool such as CAD and other software packages and design tools such as 3D and 12D. It depends on which specialist area you work in.
3. For the competency EA3.2 Ability to manage information and documentation, your brief summary could be: “For the XXX project I received the client drawings and set up a filing system in a database that recorded the latest revision recieved of each drawing – addressed in (CE3.4) i.e. the 4th paragraph of your 3rd CER. You put in the summary a specific example. Not a general statement such as “I have done that” You could shorten the description to “”I have set up a database system to manage client drawings.” (EA.4) The CER tells the full story.
Befor you write your 3rd CER complete the Summary. This will give you guidance on what the 3rd CER needs to include to pick up the competencies you have not yet included.
Hi Ian thanks for your post. I am a biomedical engineer and i am planning to write CER. I have got one year of work experience. I was wondering about the length of each episode in CER and if there’s any specific pattern to write CER? I mean what all things are to be included in each episode and in how many paragraphs?
I will be waiting for your reply.
RWJ – Follow the word limit in the Migration Skills Assessment booklet. A CER is about ten paragraphs each about ten lines. Start by writing the one line outlines for your three CER topics. Then do the summary , working out what competencies you will claim in each paragraph. You include your actions, using the engineering competency definition as a guide. The writing style is narrative. ” I specified the tests and analysed the results using the method nominated in the XXX standard. I then designed modifications to improve performance to meet the specification.” Be spicific.
Ian,
Firstly, thank you for the time and effort you put into maintaining this blog and answering these queries. It has been incredibly helpful.
I graduated 3 years ago in Scotland with a BEng in Chemical and Process Engineering. I have gained 2 years industrial experience since then. As my degree is not an Honours, I fail to meet the requirements in the Washington Accord.
I am currently working my way through my CDR and I am finding the CERs quite daunting. However, a lot of the experience I gained towards developing my professional ability wasn’t exclusive to single projects, but as an ongoing capacity in my job. Is it allowed for me to use not a project, but a broader job role as a CER? If so, how would you suggest laying this out in the CER sections?
Thank you in advance,
Ross
Ross – There are a range of topics you can use. These are outlined in the Migration Skills Assessment booklet. You can CERs oon your job in general. This is a good way to pick up the competencies that are not demonstrated through a project. You can write about specific job tasks to demonstrate the competencies you have not shown in other CERs. Do outlines for each CER and the summary first so that you do not waste time demonstrating the same competency several times.
Hi Ianlittle,
Your service is highly appreciated.
Please let me know whether I have to get a service letter from the company in which I did the industrial training for 6 months during my undergraduate study. In one of the career episodes, I have written about a project which I did during the training.
Thanks,
Braveena
Thanks Ianlittle.
Regarding the PR process, I have exactly 120 points according to the criteria provided. I would like to know whether is it beneficial to gain more than 120 points or it has the same weight even if I apply now.
Thanks,
Braveena
Braveen – No to both questions
Hi Ianlittle,
Thanks for your response
So I’m going to apply without the service letter from the company.
Wish me good luck
Cheers,
Braveena
Braveen – Sorry I had a hiccup in my system and lost the original response.
You need to have the experience you have used in a CER validated. So you will need a letter from the company. Reread the section in the Migration Skills Assessment booklet, especially Section A item 5 and Section C item 3. it says:
” If a career episode is based upon engineering work, then you
must provide an employer reference letter. “
Check and double check everything and get someone to do an endependent check of your application. It is too importanat and will create delays if you get it wrong.
Good Luck.
ianlittle..
I’m electrical engineer with 5 years experience and i have an enquire regarding my C.V. as i read in section 3.3 page 15 that my C.V. should not contain significant period where no activity is recorded, however i don’t have experience document ( letter ) for my last year ( but i already have for the past 4 years ) so can i apply without sending the last year experience letter ?!
knowing that i wrote my 3 carrier episodes without mentioned anything from the last year ..
and i have the experince letters for what i mentioned in Carrier episodes
except my graduation project for sure..
so please advice
thanks in advance
Marmor – You need to have the experience you have used in a CER validated. Reread the section in the Migration Skills Assessment booklet, especially Section A item 5 and Section C item 3.
You must mention the period and what you did, but because you do not have a CDR from this period you should be OK for qualifications assessment.
Have a look at the general skilled migrant visa requirements. It looks to me like you will miss out on points if you do not have anexperience letter for this period.
Check and double check everything and get someone to do an endependent check of your application. It is too importanat and will create delays if you get it wrong.
Hi Ianlittle,
First of all a big thank you for your kind consideration.
I just have a small query regarding the carrier episodes.
For my second career episode I have chosen to write about an algorithm I developed for my final year project at University. I would like to know whehter I should include the algoirithm I developed or should I include only the methodology I used to develope the algorithm and the problems faced. I’m realyl confused about this. Your help would be highly appreciated…
Thanks alot.
Global123 – Engioners Australia are not interested in your algorithm, so do not include it. They are interested in the why and how. It is all about the problems and processes which demonstrate your professional engineering competencies. Write the outline first. About ten single line items. Have a think about each item and work out the competencies you will be able to demonstate when you write the full story. It may seem strange, but do the summary first so you can make sure you get all the competencies covered.
Thanks alot for the quick response. I’ll try to do as you have said.
Hi ianlittle,
First of all, I like to thank you for all the great advises on this site!
I have a couple of questions on the CDR writing process. please help me clarify them.
(1) Is it possible to include references outside of the Carrier Episodes in the summary statement? For example from the CPD or the CV?
(2) Is it disadvantageous to write about day to day work at current occupation for one CER? (I have the impression that everyone prefers to write only about separate projects they were involved in)
Thank you
Hansika – The Summary report is a summary of the competencies in your CERs. It should not include references from other parts of your CDR. It is OK to write about what you do in general in a job. I think this is a good way for picking up competencies that you may not be able to demonstrate from project episodes.
Thanks so Much for your useful advice
Hi ianlittle
I compiled my career episodes as your instructed in these comments and it really worked. Thanks alot…
I have a small issue in the no. of words of my career episodes. The personal engineering activity chaper of my 1st career episode is about 2500 words, where as the guidelines are 500-1000. But each and every paragraph includes a competency as well.
Will it be disadvantagous if the career episodes are too long ?
Pls. advice…
Thanks in advance..
Anne – It is essential to keep within the word limits. Every paragraph may contain a competency, but does every sentence ? Concise writing is an important skill.
Hi Ian,
Thanks for the valuable information you sharing with us.
I just want to check with you if I need to demonstrate each competency element in each career episode? or is it ok just to divide these elements among the three episode?
Thanks
Jabra – You do not need to demonstrate all the competencies in each episode report. They will be spread across the three CERs. IKL
Hi Ian,
I am very happy of finding this thread. It isfull of points and really helpful.
I am preparing my CDR while there is a problem regarding the direction…
I got my bachelor’s degree in Mechanical Engineering in 2001, and master’s degree in Electrical engineering in 2004. Since then, I am working as a systems engineer for development of engine control unit (a sort of electroinc device). My job responsibility comforms with that of 2125-13 Electronics Engineer in ASCO dictionary.
I did have a lot of mechanical experience (I designed some mechanical stuff like robots, gear box, electric vehicle transmission, etc.); but those all happened in 5 ~ 8 years ago. In this case, can I naminate mechanical engineer? Or I must nominate Electrical Engineer?
Could you kindly advise? Thank you in advance.
Best regards,
Chang Luo
Chang Luo – As you will be asessed on your undergraduate dehree and you have sufficient mechanical engineering experienc, the best path for qualifications assessment is as a mechanical engineer. The probelm this gives you is you have no rceent relevant occupation experience for the visa points test. You need to work out the best path for you based on your qualifications, work experience nad the visa points system. As you are working on control of engines the best thing is to make that look more mechanical than electrical, if you can.
Hi Ian,
I really appreciate your immediate feedback. You are so nice.
Per your comments, there would be a trade-off…Frankly, it is not easy to make my 5 years’ work experience in electronics systems look like mechanical, so I may lose some visa points as ME.
Although the assessment will be based on my undergraduate degree, do you think it is still reasonable for me to apply for an electronics engineer certification considering my actual work experience? By the way, the formal title of my undergraduate degree is Bachelor in Mechanical Engineering and Automation, which also requires some knowledge on EE topics.
Not sure if my question is stupid of not…But I need to make a right decision before moving too far.
Thanks a lot
Chang
Chang – Now you see why I cannot give a definitive direction. I do not have the facts that you have. You did not tell me about the automation part of your degree. This makes you look electronic within the broad bands of the definition. This sound like what we may call a mechatronics degree. This can come under mechanical or electronics depending on the particular subjects you did in your cours and your work experience. It seems like you have a good understanding of the process to work it out from here.
Hi Ian,
You did help me make the right decision…I will apply for EE.
Have a good day, every day!
Best Regards,
Chang
Dear lan,
Thanks for your support ..
I tried to certify a copy of my documents as required at austrillian embassy but they didnt certify the work references as it’s their policy not to certify such references although i indicate them in my CDR .. so please advice if i can apply these work references without being certified or not?
Thanks in advance
Marmor – For periods in your relevant work experience of greater than12 months and for any period you have used ina CER you must have an employer reference letter. These are essemtial.
Also i would like to ask about the summary statement…
do i need to fill all the its items and indicate them all in my 3 CDR or i may fill only the competency elements that i stated in my CDR even it’s 50 % of the summary statemet
Marmor – If you only have 50% of the competencies in your CERs do not waste your money completing the application. All the competencies must be addressed (but not every single element) in your career episode reports (CERs). So the summary statement should have all the elements addressed with cross references to the paragraphs in the CERs. So it is back to the drawing board for you to rewrite your CERs. You should complete the summary statement after you have done the outlines for all three CERs, before wrting the full words.
HI Ian,
Could you help me to give an example about PE1.4 General Knowledge. I just want to know what the brief summary would be.
And the other question is i want to know your opinion if a CNC programmer that can get an assessment as a mechanical engineer?
I also develop a CAD software for manufacturing industry as my side business. and i create a CER based on this. i’ve also got an overseas mechanical eng degree ( 4+ years).
Thank you for your help.
Fherry – It may be difficult to be assessed as a professional engineer as a CNC programmer. The assessment would depend the range of programming complexity. If it is routine with a limited range of machines and applications you will have trouble demonstrating the engineering competencies. However if you are setting up machines, designing for new, innovative and complex applications it will be easier. Developing new software techniques and that sort of thing require engineering skills.
Here are a couple of examples of general knowledge:
Understanding of the social situation and weather conditions in the region helped me to manage my job better, specially for the storage of perishable material
and hazardous goods.
I took advantage of my local knowledge to select the different materials available in the region to manufacture the parts.
ianlittle..
Thanks for your fast reply..
But i was asking if i can apply with a non certified copy of employer reference letter because the Australlian embassy didnt want to certify it ?!
the Embassy certified all my documents except the employer reference letters
Thanks again for your support
Marmour – They would not certify the employer reference letter because it is an original. Your CV must be certified where you claim more than 12 months experience (refer clause 3.3 of section C of the Migration Skills Assessment booklet). If you are concerned you could get one of the other nominated persons, such as a migration agent to certify the reference letter.
Hi Ian,
one more question… I’ve written the first report describing my current position. And now I am going to write the second regarding my graduation project during year 2001. I designed a robot joint controller including the electronic hardware and software. As I am applying for Electronics Engineer, I want to use it to prove my undergraduate degree (Mechanical Engineering and Automation) is electronics related, or as you said, mechatronics.
But, here the question comes: is it too old a story? It happened over 8 years ago…
Thanks in advance…
Chang
Chang – No, the important thing is to demonstrate engineering competencies
Got it. Thank you, Ian.
hi Ian,
Thank you for your input.
i’m glad to hear your explanation, well actually i did not create a CER based on my current job as CNC programmer, but based on a spesific software product that i have developed and released commercially to be integrated with any CAD/CAM software package. I am just afraid if i will be recognized as software engineering, but on the CER i am not only explain about the software itself, but as a whole integration with my business system and i emphasize more on develop spec for manufacture by using the software i created.
But anyway, thanks again you for your input…..
Hi ian,
I am preparing to write my CDR; and would like to ask following question;
I am a Mechanical Engineer ( 4 yrs. degree). I have an experience of around 7 years mainly in Project Planning, Procurement & Project Management. My job includes analyzing engineering scope and sometimes to followup and review the engineering data sheets. I am wondering whether this is OK to apply as a Professional Engineer, as I have mentioned I am not involved in direct enigneering calculations myself but I assign jobs to engineers for my designated projects/systems. As you are aware that Project Managers need to spend almost 60-70% of their time in communication with either client/supplier.
Please advise; which areas should I highlight for my CDR and what will be suitable for me to get my CDR approved easily.
Razi – The competencies require a wide range of skills to be demonstrated. To demonstrate direct engineering desing skills you may need to go back to your final year university project. Your CERs must concentrate on the engineering thinking and application of knowledge. Analysing the engineering of others and identifying engineering problems and solving them are fine.
Select your three topics and do an outline for each and assess the competencies each CER will demonstrate. Complete the Summary Statement before you start writing the detail CERs. This will help you make sure you are not demonstrating one competency several times and missing out on others. Stories about finding problems and fixing them make good CER topics.
Thanks alot Ian, for your quick reply.
Ian ,
thank you for your time, Merry Christmas and Happy new year, I wanted to ask you about couple of things, i am a telecom/electronics engineer with 5 years undergraduate degree and an MBA holder
1. my work is more of a technologist, but my degree is a professional engineer which should i apply for ?
2. if my episode is based on my Uni graduation project, do i have to get references for it ?
3. can an episode be on me leading a team of people in day to day operations ?
thank you very much in advance and i appreicate your time and help very much
Mike
Mike – I suggest you write a CDR for a professional engineer. Pick out career episodes that demonstrate professional competencies. Remember it is not abot your job, it is about demonstrating competencies. Engineers Australia will make their decision based on the evidence you give them in your career episode reports. Yes you will a reference for your university project. Yes you can write a CER about your job. This is a good way to pick up competenvies which you have not shown in project based CERs. Do the three CER outlines and your summary first before writing the detailed reports. This will enable you to aseess how well you have covered the competencies.
Hi Ian,
I am a mechanical engineer and I am writing my CDR. I would like to ask you, should I use details like formulas, ecuations or just tell them that I calculated the braking forces and moments….etc???
Thank you very much and have fun for the N Y E.
mIKE
Mike – Don’t give details of the formulae. Tell about the sorts of things you calculated, assumptions and conclusions. Don’t be afraid to talk about mistakes you made – how you identified and corrected mistakes provides good evidence of using your engineering skills.
Ok, first of all, Thank you so much for responding, BUT, why I am asking about details is because I don’t have to much work experience after my faculty and all I can do is narrate about the project I did during my Faculty, therefore, I have to describe how I designed a braking system for a vehicle and that includes about 80 pages of formulas, types of materials, diagrams, components and so on, thats why I am really confused and don’t know how to do it. If anyone that’s reading this have any suggestions, please let me know: dobrotaioan@yahoo.com
Mike – A career episode report (CER) is a narrative, a story about how you went about the engineering. It is a story about your actions. Think how you would explain what you did in your project to an intelligent person with technical understanding, but not engineering knowledge. For example write as if you are explaining to a civil engineer (after all the assessor could be a civil engineer). Start by writng 10-12 single line points of different parts of the project. For example:
defining the key issues
planning time and resources
researching previous work – developing technical knowledge required
calculation and obtaining theoretical results
devising test methods and performance test methods
analysis of results
devising modifications and retesting
From each of these you should be able to write about 6-8 sentences, about 100 words, and you have written the body of a CER. Then you work out the competencies you have been able to demonstrate by completing the Summary Report.
Thank you very very much, you were very helpful. Now all the sudden everything makes a lot more sense.
Hi Ian,
I’m a senior quality engineer and have been in quality since 2003 and in engineering since 1997 doing my apprentiship and progressing through part time college day release. i am currently writing my career episodes for CDR acreditation as i do not have a degree, however, in 2006 i stupidly did not finish my HNC mechanical engineering and now having to finish it!
my question is that with the experience that I have (automotive, aerospace, water and oil and gas) and hopefully me finally finishing the HNC, will these qualifications and this experience be enough to back up the CDR?
Thanks
Kel
Kel – The accreditation is based on engineering discipline, not the industry people work for the base disciplines such as mechanical, civil and electrical. For accreditation assessment you should be assessed under the Washington Accord for professional engineering or the Sydney Accord for engineering technologist and associates. Go to the Washington Accord website and you should be able to find your institute, course and date. You will not need to do a CDR if your course appears there.
Hi Lan,
I did undergraduation (BS) in Computer Engineering 4yrs program. And then joined IT sector in one of the construction company. My job is to give IT support in our company, which has approx more than 3000 emplyees. IT support includes Network, Desktop and communication (Internet/telephone) support. I have 4 yrs of experience in IT sector. During my this experience, I have been doing my Part Time Masters Degree in Mechatronics engineering. I am completing my Masters in May 2010.
Please help me how should I distribute my career episodes. As I have not done any creative work at my job, it was just simple problem solving thing, and the maintainace of the system, but during my masters, I have been involved in semester projects and have completed my final project and I wrote research paper on my final year project.
Please advice.
AG
Aghafoor – I agree that your work experience is more like a technologist rather than a professional engineer. You may be able to write a general CER around your current work to show some of the general competencies. I agree that your best path is to look at competencies you can demonstrate through your course. Keep in mind the CDR is about demonstrating competencies, not about your work.
Dear Ianlittle,
I have studied fluid mechanics and have been working as an assembly expert in the field of gas turbine manufacturing for the past three years. I am about to write my CDR about the turbine parts and modules that i was involved in their manufacturing processes. firstly is it possible to include these kinds of activities in the Episods? if yes is there any sample to get an idea about how to write them?
thank you in advance
Amir – Your do not write about your job in the career episode reports, you write to demonstrate engineering competencies. This is about what, how, and why you have done engineering. You should have enough from you work to write about. Write outlines and the summary first so you can check you have covered every competency.
Hello
I am civil engineer (4years )i have experiance 1 years i want to migration australia.but i have too much confusion for CDR please help me about writting cdr
thanks
Naveed – Read through all the questions and answers under the comments on this thread. Then I will be pleased to answer specific questions.
Hello Ian,
I’m on the process of analyzing the Summary Competency Elements of my CERs. I found one competency of my CER corresponds to at least two or three competencies of Engineers Australia. Is this case possible, or one competency should be only used once? Please help! Thank you very much in advance and more power!
Emmanuel – It is highly likely that one event within your personal engineering activity can include more than one competency element. For example you may do a calculation using a national standard and make some assumptions to cover particulkar conditions of your project. This has used standards, made engineering decisions about the assumptions and used engineering judgement about the condition in nthe particlat project. The challenge is to bring all this out in your narrative. You cannot just write “I calculated the size of the beam.” You need to the relevant engineering thought processes and actions.
You will also find that you have demonstrated a competency more than once in the three career episodes. This wastes valuable words. Complete the summary report after you have written your outlines – before you write every detail.
Dear Ian,
I am a electrical eng graduate, but was in that field for one year and then moved to biomedical field. since then I worked as a field service enginer installing and doing maintanance of medical equipments.
1. is it ok to write a one carrer episode from my first year (electrical eng career) ?
2. engineers aus asks to write some design stuff in the CDR for the catogory of professional engineer which i do not do much design stuff at the moment. how do i work on that?
Please advice
Thanks
Sam – Certainly write from your electrical engineering experience. You do not need to write about design ’stuff’, but you need to write about engineering. This involves using the essential analytical thinking and application of the science that engineering is based on. In installing it may be that the standard product does not work or fit so you need to work out something – analysed the problem and solved it. The assessors like to hear about how you have used your engineering skills and methods to solve problems. In maintenance you may have seen a recurring failure, analysed why it occurred and fixed it, It could be as simple as identifying the wrong materials being used and selecting, using your engineering knowledge of materials, a more appropriate material.
hi
this is mr.arun all the way from Nepal.i have done electronics and communications engineeering fronm Nepal in 2007 .Since then i have been working for few month as a business development executives in Electronics and Software company.then fro almost 15 months i have worked as electronics engineer in UAE .there i have worked for Security System and Access Control.also in structure cabling .but now i donot have clear idea how to preapre CDR report and what to include in it.
i donot know whether working on structure cabling is a job of electronics enginer or not and had i should include it on mine CDR.
i will be happy if some one help me giving or providing the sample………for CDR of electronics engineer…………
thanks
Arun – Will you pass the IELTS test? Your written English needs to improve before you write any CDR. Cabling is part of communications, signal transmission and all that, so it definitely falls within the electronics engineer definition. The issue could be the amount of engineering you have done of the cabling systems. You need to look in detail at the professional engineer competencies and be sure you are writing about those activities. Write an outline for the episode first, ten one line items. Think about the detail you would add to complete a paragraph on each line item. Then mark the competencies each paragraph will demonstrate. Complete ypu summary report before you write each detailed episode.
hi, great advise on CDR / CER compiling. I am a 36 year old Automotive project manager in the UK and currently looking into skilled migration – I’ve nearly 20 years experience in the automotive industry either at OEM or 1st tier level but I have no formal qualifications after standard high school education – other than CDR / CER’s is there any additional information I could / would need to submit when making my application to Eng Aus for skills assessment as my formal education side of things is so light?
cheers!
Chris – I do not think you would get to first base with Engineers Australia. You should look at occupations. You wou probably not be able to get a job in that area in Australia in that field. The skills assessment for all areas looks for formal qualifications.
dear ian
I am an electronics and communications engineering graduate from the Philippines. I migrated here to Australia right after my licensure exam. I am here as a dependent of my father under his 457 visa. Currently I am writting my CER and wish to include these three as my career episodes.
1. On-job training in an Electrical company under the telecommunications department.
2. Final year school projects.
3. Passing the national licensure exam.
Due to lack of experience, these are all the episodes that i could think of. I really need some advice regarding this matter. Thanks
Seitch – The real test is the competencies you can demonstrate in each CER. Do outlines for all three topics before writing each report. Then assess the competencies each part will be demonstrated in each section. Next complete the summary report. This will allow you to check how well you have covered the competencies and make adjustments before writing all the detail. I do not know what is entailed in passing the licensure exam so cannot help on how good that will be for a CER. The other topics are OK.
hi ianlittle,
your blog is really helpful, i’ve found so many helpful tips here. i have a question though, i finished a 5-year degree in chemical engineering in the philippines but i don’t have a license yet as i haven’t taken the licensure examinations yet. i started working right after graduation due to financial obligations to my family. do i need to have a (local) license first before lodging an assessment as a professional engineer to engineers au? i’ve worked at a nickel processing plant for three years as a process engineer/supervisor and i’m planning to derive my career episodes from my experience. thank you very much and more power.
Jimmy – No you do not need to have a local license and you will not need a license in Australia. In Quensland ypu will need to be registered.
Hi Ian
I am writing my CDR and as mentioned in the Migation skills assessment booklet “If a career episode is based upon engineering work, then you
must provide an employer reference letter”. I however have a problem getting an employer reference letter for my career episode as the company that I used to work for is no longer in existence as it was acquired by another company.
Moh – You will have to make a statutory declaration explaining the reason and have it signed by a person from the group listed in the Engineers Australia handbook.
hi,ianlittle
I apply for membership,and have to finish3 narratives in according with the assessment of eligibility for membership. I have read the Guide, It is different. Could you give more advice about Narrative which include knowledge base, engineering ability and professional attributes. thz
Michelle – Go to our Engineering Advice blog page and follow the links on the article FAQs for engineering migrants to Australia. The Australian Bureau of Statistics (ABS) site provides occupation descriptions. The Engineers Australia booklet provides the engineering level descriptions.
The level of ability for qualifications assessment for migration is that of a graduate engineer. That is not very high. For example: in management you really only need to demonstrate the competency to manage yourself and co-ordinate with others. The words sound like it is really hard but it reaaly so simple ypu will find that many of the competencies you do without thinking about it. Many of the analysis tasks you will do mentally without any planning.
Dear Ian,
I commend you for this vision and insight no matter how little which you have been contributing to successful writing of the CDR to the Australia Engineers.Please assist,I have National Diploma(1988),Higher National Diploma1991) and Post graduate Diploma all in Electrical Engineering(Power Options) 1998 from Nigerian Polytechnic and university and and ever since i have working in the Electrical Engineer’s capacity,i just want to know the appropriate level of registration i should apply for between Engineer and Technologist judging from the fact that Australia Engineer based the registration on one’s undergraduate degree,i am ready to write the career episode.Please Clarify.
Regards
Adeolau- Apply for a professional engineer. Let Engineers Australia make the decision. They will accredit you as an engineering technologist without you having to make a second application if they do not assess you at the higher level.
Hi Tom,
Thanks for the information.
I’m a mechanical engineer with an experience of 3.5 years in production field. Later I moved to costing department, a techno-commercial field. When I start preparing my CDR do I have to mention the reasons why I had to change core field and try something different.
Prassana – You only have to write career episodes to demonstrate your engineering competencies. It is not like a job interview where you may be required to explain why you changed jobs. If the field is not in engineering Engineers Australia are not in the least interested.
Hi Ian,
Great job in putting up this site! Very informative and a big help to all of us!
I earned my Bachelor’s degree in Electronics and Communications Engineering (in an overseas uni) and I was hoping to be recognized as a Professional Engineer as a requirement in applying for a permanent residency (I am currently a temporary resident). I graduated some 2 years ago and since then have taken a couple of roles in the IT industry. Albeit, I still want to practice my Engineering skills in the near future in this country.
My question is, will Engineers Australia be considering the fact that I dedicated my last 2 years to a field that’s different (though somehow related) to Engineering, and affect the over-all outcome of my assessment?I can think of a number of major career episodes when I was still in the uni (had 3 major projects done) and I was hoping they would suffice to get me through…
Also, I would assume that the CV that I would submit should not include my IT experience, and be purely based on my academic achievements (I graduated with honors btw)?
Thanks for all your help,
Ace
Ace – Your IT experience is not totally unrelated to electronics engineering. It will not do any harm to leave it in your CV. Gaps or untrue statements will do more damage. Engineers Australia are only interested in your work experience because it provides opportunities for you to demonstrate your engineering competencies. Engineers Australia will be looking at your career episode reports more than your CV. Demonstration of competencies through good uni projects should be enough to get you accredited..
thanks for the clarification ian, am done writing my career episodes and am on to completing the other documents required. i have a question on whom to have the documents certified. it said on the handbook that a “notary public authorized in the country of application” is authorized to certify the documents. does this refer to notary public authorized by EA? if so, is there any site where i can check a list of authorized lawyers in my country (philippines)? thank you.
Jimmy – It means someone recognised to authorise legal documents in the country you are applying from (for you the Philippines). There is no special list from EA.
Thanks, Ian!
Just submitted my application with career episodes based solely on my uni projects… I included my IT experience in my CV, but only those that I feel have relevance to Engineering (problem solving, analytical roles)…
I have an IETLS score of 8.5 and I’ve prepared my CDR for almost a month, so I’m really hoping to be assessed successfully.
Thanks again for your help!
ok, now i understand, i thought EA has authorized specific individuals to certify documents for applicants. thanks for the clarification.
Hello Ian,
First of all I would like to appreciate you for all your efforts on this website.
I have a Bachelors of Engineering Degree in Electronics from India and Masters in Electrical and Electronics Engineering from UK. I have been working in UAE since two years as a Graduate Electrical Engineer.
My work is related to Electrical maintenance and PLC programming in a Manufacturing company. I am planning to write one CE based on this experience.
Since my Degree is in Electronics and work experience in Electrical, I am pretty much in a dilemma which occupation should I nominate for.
Ian, it will be a great favour if you can shed some light on this.
Thanks a lot for your help,
Koustuv
Koustuv – Apply as an electronics engineer and write CERs based on specific electronic engineering activities in your study and work experience. Put together a consistent story.
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