Assessment of engineering qualifications by Engineers Australia

Assessment of engineering qualifications for migration purposes by the Institution of Engineers (Engineers Australia).

Something confusing to migrants is that the assessments of qualifications for eligibility for migration visas and for membership of Engineers Australia are made separately. It is possible to be accepted for immigration and refused membership of Engineers Australia. The reverse also applies. It is possible to be accepted for membership of Engineers Australia and not be accepted for a skilled migration visa.

The Institution of Engineers Australia, known as Engineers Australia, is the peak body for engineers in Australia, with more than 80,000 members. It is the national forum for the advancement of engineering and professional development of engineers. It accredits engineering courses, operates programs of continuing education and professional development, maintains a vigorous publishing and conference program, and involves itself in debate on national and community issues.

Skills assessment

Engineers Australia is the designated authority to assess professional and para-professional qualifications in engineering for the purposes of skilled migration to Australia.

The two pathways to recognition of your qualifications with Engineers Australia are:
• Recognised engineering qualifications
• A Competency Demonstration Report (CDR)

Recognition is the process of determining if the course you have completed at an overseas institution is equivalent to an Australian four-year engineering course. If your engineering qualifications are not recognised through any accredited course with one of the signatory bodies, you may seek recognition through a competency assessment process.
The Competency Demonstration Report gives you the opportunity to establish that your engineering knowledge and competencies are equivalent to those of the appropriate occupational category within Australian engineering. You can detail work and training you have done to establish that you have the skills and knowledge equivalent to an engineer with Australian qualifications. The Migration Skills Assessment Kit, available from the Engineers Australia website guides you in determining your occupational category and preparing your CDR submission.

To check a course is accredited, you need to know the university, particular course, and the years the course started and finished. You have to do this yourself as part of preparing your application for migration skills assessment to Engineers Australia. Information on both the Washington and Sydney Accords and the lists of accredited programs can be sourced from the following website: http://www.washingtonaccord.org/

Washington Accord signatories are Australia, Canada, Chinese Taipei, Hong Kong China, Ireland, Japan, Korea, New Zealand, Singapore, South Africa, United Kingdom, and United States. Organisations holding provisional status at time of writing are Germany, India, Malaysia, Russia and Sri Lanka.
Sydney Accord signatories (for Engineering Technologists or incorporated Engineers) are Australia, Canada, Hong Kong China, Ireland, New Zealand, South Africa, and the United Kingdom. United States holds provisional status at time of writing.

If you live in Australia, the state or territory Overseas Qualifications Unit (OQU) has educational assessment advice about overseas qualifications for free or a small fee. Applicants must be in Australia; you can’t have a contact in Australia make an application on your behalf if you are overseas.The Overseas Qualifications Unit’s addresses are available from the Department of Immigration and Citizenship website: http://www.immi.gov.au/asri/os-qual-units.htm

An OQU or AEI-NOOSR assessment may tell you that you have engineering qualifications that are academically comparable to a qualification in the Australian Qualifications Framework (AQF), however your qualifications may not be accepted for you to practice as a professional engineer in Australia. Professional recognition of engineers is solely assessed by Engineers Australia.

The bottom line:

An OQU or AEI-NOOSR assessment has no useful value for engineering qualifications.

Wait until you are in Australia to apply for membership of Engineers Australia.

For migration, get a Migration Skills Assessment Kit, available from the Engineers Australia website to make application for assessment of your qualifications for skilled migration to Australia.

This post is taken from Project Australia: Land That Engineering Job in Australia by Ian Little

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  1. ianlittle said on April 17, 2009 at 8:10 am

    Partha – Washington Accord accreditation is country, institution, course and year specific. All the accredited courses are listed on the Washington Axccord web site. Until your course is listed on this site it will not be accredited on that pathway. For further information, go to:
    http://www.washingtonaccord.org
    For IT, recognition of prior learning (RPL) is also considered. Any additional courses you have done post graduation will be considered.
    Once you have a general skilled migration visa there is no restriction on the occupation you can do in Australia – after all you may be like 60-70% of migrants who cannot get a job similar to the one they had in their home country.

  2. Michael said on June 5, 2008 at 1:37 pm

    I’m a gradute of Bachelor of Science in Civil Engineering in Columban College, Philippines.I like to know if my school and country is recognized in Australia and If I’m accepted to practice my profession in Australia,If not what should I do? I’m in Australia now for holiday.Please reply on my e-mail.

    Thank you very much,

  3. Farhad said on June 14, 2008 at 6:43 pm

    Hi,
    thank you for your nice information,
    but the problem is writing a good CDR is very important and a little difficult.
    what is your suggestion?
    is there any example of CDRs?
    Regards
    Farhad

  4. Fox said on June 18, 2008 at 3:42 pm

    How important is the CPD ( Continuous Professional Development) requirement for positives skills assessment with Engineers Australia? And, isn’t the CDR and Qualifications more than enough to make it thru?

  5. Team Tribus Lingua said on June 23, 2008 at 3:40 pm

    Engineering qualifications from the Philippines are not covered under the Washington Accord Agreement. You would need to complete a CDR (Competency Demonstration Report)
    Please see the advice page under Migration Skills Assessment on the Engineers Australia website
    http://www.engineersaustralia.org.au

  6. ianlittle said on June 23, 2008 at 3:44 pm

    If you are applying through a Washington Accord institution you do not need a CPD statement.

    However if you are from a country or have studied in an institute not covered by the Accords you need to produce CDRs and also a CPD statement. Details are in the Engineers Australia booklet and application

  7. ianlittle said on June 24, 2008 at 7:03 pm

    The writing style required for a CDR report style is similar to that used for Career Episode Reports (CERs) when applying for chartered membership of Engineers Australia.

    You can see a sample of a CER report in the Chartered Status Applicant’s Handbook. This is available online from the Engineers Austarlia website. Select the Education tab, then Chartered Status from the drop down menu. You can download the booklet. A sample CER report is in appendix D of the Handbook.

    http://www.engineersaustralia.org.au

  8. Hesham said on June 25, 2008 at 9:33 pm

    I am Msc civil engineers from Egypt and preparing my CDR. I got 5.5,5.5,6,6 in IELTS exam and have evidence from my college that my study was in English by 75%. I had presented technical papers in international conferences. Could I submit with this IELTS exam results. If it refused I will loss my fees and resubmit again or that can be solved with the assessor.? Please your reply is very appreciated to me.

  9. Hesham said on June 25, 2008 at 9:35 pm

    Is it required to submit Police clearence to IEA to complete registration. When I got approval from IEA and I am working in Australia with 457 visa class, could I reside to RP.?

  10. ianlittle said on June 26, 2008 at 9:40 pm

    A major impediment for migrants getting a job is poor English. It appears you do not meet the criteria. This will make it very hard for you to get a job, even if you were accepted for immigration. Engineers Australia are unlikely to negotiate. Practice your English.

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  11. ianlittle said on June 26, 2008 at 9:46 pm

    We cannot comment on visa matters. Go to the Department of Immigration and Citizenship for this information and advice.

    http://www.immi.gov.au

  12. devinder said on June 28, 2008 at 11:50 pm

    i have done B.TECH IN ELECTRONOCS FROM INDIA LIVING IN AUSTRALIA .I WANT TO GET ASSES MY DEGREE WHAT SHOULD I DO?IS ELECTORONIC DEGREE IN DEMAND IN AUSTRALIA?

  13. ianlittle said on July 2, 2008 at 5:54 pm

    For assessment of your qualifications you need to go to the Engineers Australia website. For immigration purposes go to the Migrations Skills Assessment link from the left hand side.

    The Migration Skills Assessment page has a link to the Australian Skills Recognition Information (ASRI) website. This tells you if an occupation is on the Skilled Occupation List (SOL), part of the Employer Nomination Scheme (ENSOL) and on the Migration Occupations in Demand List (MODL).

    LEARN MORE

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    http://www.engineersaustralia.org.au/

  14. balli said on July 23, 2008 at 4:04 am

    Hello Ian,

    You are doing some brilliant work on the forum !!! I am from India and want to apply for assessment thru Engineers Australia.I am a chemical engineer and have 5 years of experience .I am currently pursuing my MBA from a top college in India. My problem is my experience is in the field of Information Technology with a company called Infosys.I have eben worked in Australia for 6 months in Sydney. I want to apply as a chemical engineer. Though, I have presented some papers in some student conferences and did few projects during my engineering days. Is it OK if I apply thru EA ?

  15. ianlittle said on July 27, 2008 at 12:37 pm

    If you cannot get recognition of your engineering qualifications via the Washington Accord, you will need to produce Competency Demonstration Reports(CDRs) to demonstrate your engineering competencies. As your work experience is in IT you certainly have a problem. You can get your MBA assessed by AEI-NOOSR. An avenue you could look at is a Skilled recognised graduate-temporary visa to enable you to get some engineering work experience to give you a basis to generate CDRs. You need to contact the Department of Immigration and Citizenship (DIAC) about the conditions of this type of visa.

  16. balli said on July 27, 2008 at 3:17 pm

    Hello Ian,
    Thanks a lot for your reply.I confirmed with a couple of consultants and got a reply that I can mention career episodes during my engineering education (i.e projects during the course , summer project etc )in the CDR which should be suitable for a favourable outcome.Now if I can get 120 points for 60 for degree in engineering, 30 for age , 25 for English and 5 for my experience (unrelated to my education),is it still possible that I may be questioned on my experience which is not related to engineering post assessment when I lodge my application. Do you think this will have a bearing on the final outcome of my immigration application.Can you please suggest a way out ?

  17. abdul said on August 7, 2008 at 2:39 pm

    hi .i m chemical engineer from pakistan.do i fall in engimeer australia acceptance r i have to write a CDR.

  18. ianlittle said on August 8, 2008 at 11:32 pm

    Abdul – I think you may need to work on your English. If you do not qualify under the Washington Accord you will have to write 3 CDRs.
    For assessment of your qualifications you need to go to the Engineers Australia website. For immigration purposes go to the Migrations Skills Assessment link from the left hand side.

    The Migration Skills Assessment page has a link to the Australian Skills Recognition Information (ASRI) website. This tells you if an occupation is on the Skilled Occupation List (SOL), part of the Employer Nomination Scheme (ENSOL) and on the Migration Occupations in Demand List (MODL).

    You should be able to check this for yourself.

  19. ianlittle said on August 9, 2008 at 10:31 pm

    Unfortunately we cannot advise on visa matters. (only licenced migration agents can provide that advice within Australia) As I wrote in the article above, assessment for migration and accreditation for Engineers Australia are separate issues. Assessment of qualifications for entry to post graduate courses are also treated separately – these are assessed by AEI-NOOSR.

  20. Galito said on August 21, 2008 at 5:38 pm

    Good day.

    I have a NTC-5 in Mech.Engineering and Im currently busy doing my National Higher Diploma in Mechanical Engineering at a University of Technology. I wanted to know if my qualification is recognised in Australia and in the U.S.A. aswell??? How does it work in Australia and in the U.S.A? What are the differences? What will either of these qualifications be worth in Australia and in the U.S.A.?

    Your reply will be much appreciated!…

    Thank you…

    G>>>>,[galito007@gmail.com]

  21. ianlittle said on August 23, 2008 at 7:03 pm

    South Africa is a signatory to the Washington Accord, along with Australia, the USA and several other countries.

    This means there is mutual recognition of approved engineering courses between these countries. By going to the Washington Accord website you will be able to check if your course is recognised as being at engineer level by the Washington Accord. You need to visit this site and look up your specific institute and course.

    If your course is not recognised at professional engineer level, it may be recognised at associate professional level under the Sydney Accord. You can look this up from the Washington Accord website. The USA is only a provisional signatory to the Sydney Accord.

    For further information, go to:

    http://www.washingtonaccord.org

  22. umesh said on August 26, 2008 at 1:11 pm

    I am a australian permanent resident and electrical engineer graduated from Bangladesh. currently am working as a technical design officer in one of the utility company in victoria. My degree is assesed as a advanced diploma in electrical engineering before I was migrated to australia. Its been almost 2 years I am in australia and working for 18 months. Now I want my degree assessed by the Institute of engineers Australia and would like to work as an engineer instead of just a technical officer. In addition to CDRs do I need a IELTS with a score of 6 in each band.
    Your suggestions would be much appreciated.

  23. ianlittle said on August 26, 2008 at 8:40 pm

    Engineers Australia has developed a new Migration Skills Assessment booklet and series of application forms. These replace the previous and are now available from their website.
    All applications received on or after 1 July 2008 must be in accordance with the new instruction booklet and on the new application forms.

    The following is taken from page 5 of the May 2008 issue of the Engineers Australia Booklet – Migration Skills Assessment

    4. English Language Requirements

    All applicants applying to have their skills assessed by Engineers Australia are required to provide evidence of their English language competency. Applicants are required to have achieved a minimum score of 6.0 in each of the four modules of speaking, listening, reading and writing in either the ‘General Training’ or ‘Academic’ version of the International English Language Testing System (IELTS) http://www.ielts.org.

    Unless you can demonstrate that your native language is English you must comply with the requirement of an IELTS score of 6.0 in all categories. Project Australia The Engineers Workbook provides a range of exercise to help you improve your general and technical English.

    Practice, using English at every opportunity, is the best way to improve your English.

  24. Dragan said on September 1, 2008 at 2:48 pm

    I am mechanical engineer, i have finished mechanical faculty in Belgrade, Serbia (5 years). When I was coming in Australia on 457 visa it was required for me to pass IELTS test, which i did with marks (listening 6.5, reading 6.0, speaking 6.5 and writing 4.5), now I am working in Australia for more then 3 months and I was thinking to apply for permanent visa, but i was informed that I need to take IELTS test again.

  25. ianlittle said on September 1, 2008 at 4:02 pm

    For a skilled visa the requirement is to pass all elements of an IELTS test with a score above 6. So you did not pass the test. You have a temporary working visa that provides you with a good opportunity to improve your written skills to enable you to pass the test in all areas and be eligible for a skilled visa. If it suited you to move to a regional area, you may be eligible for a temporary regional skilled visa. To meet the elegibility requirements for qualifications recognition by Engineers Australia you need an IELTS score of 6 in all elements

  26. Rupak said on September 3, 2008 at 6:53 pm

    I did Bachelor in Civil Engineerin in 2005 august(four years course).I have experience more than three years and befor that i did Diploma in Civil Engineering in 1994 and have experience about six years in the same field.I have score of IELTS as 6.5,5.5,6.0,7.0. I am 34 years old .Now i want your absolute suggestion that can i apply for Permanet Residence????
    I hope you will reply it by understanding clearly
    Rupak

  27. ianlittle said on September 4, 2008 at 7:00 pm

    Rupak – You need to improve you listening to get an IELTS score of 6 in that category. Project Australia provides exercises to help you. As you have not passed all elements of the IELTS test, you do not meet the criteria for accreditation of your qualifications by Engineers Australia. I am not allowed to comment on migration matters.

  28. Dyadav said on September 5, 2008 at 4:55 pm

    Hi ian,
    I did my engineering degree in electrical & electronics engineer(Four years course).I have worked as an electrical engineer more than 5 years and now i am 30 years old.Currently i am studying MBA in USQ Sydney, Australia since July,2008. My IELTS band score is 6.0 but each band contains like 5.5,5,7,6. I heard that i can assess my engineering degree through engineer Australia.To assess my degree which steps should i have take first and how long does it take for me.Can you please advice me clearly, step by step process.
    Waiting for your reply
    Thanking you
    Dyadav

  29. ianlittle said on September 6, 2008 at 4:00 am

    See my comments on English requirements above, made on August 26.

    For assessment of your qualifications you need to go to the Engineers Australia website. For immigration purposes go to the Migrations Skills Assessment link from the left hand side.

    The Migration Skills Assessment page has a link to the migration Skills Assessment booklet. This tells you all you need to know.

    The assessment of an application normally takes about 6 weeks, but may be a little longer at busy periods. If an application is incomplete it will take much longer.

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  30. sathish said on September 6, 2008 at 8:50 am

    hi i have completed diploma and my trade has been acessed by TRA and its sucessfull, now im going to lodge my application for Permanent residence subclass175, but currently im pursuing a degree in australian instituion offfshore expect to complete next year. wheather this will affect my application status, coz im applying for skilled trades person..but i going to have a engineer qualification.. ur advice is appreciated

  31. ianlittle said on September 6, 2008 at 5:53 pm

    Unfortunately we cannot advise on visa matters. (only licenced migration agents can provide that advice within Australia) Your application will be assessed on the qualifications you have now. You could fail or withdraw from your course !

  32. Balvindra said on September 10, 2008 at 2:54 pm

    Hi Ian,

    My self Balvindra and i have done my bachelor of mechanical enguneering from an Indian Univerisity in year 2006 and than after i worked for thermal power station for 16 months as mechanical engineer till Dec, 2007 and after i arrived australia and presently i m studying in rmit univeristy and persuing graduate diploma in system engineering and will be finishing by oct,08 and i have enquired about my permanent residency here and got the information that i am eligible for the same. So i want your advise that how should i proceed, should i do this process with the help of migration agent or may i do at my own. Please advise me.

    One more thing about the book project australia, how can i get the copy of this book..is there any discount on this book.
    Please give your response.

  33. ianlittle said on September 10, 2008 at 3:28 pm

    It is not compulsory to use a migration agent. There are clear instructions available from the Department of Immigration and Citizenship website. For this information and advice go to:

    http://www.immi.gov.au

    To purchase Project Australia go to:

    http://www.tribuslingua.com.au/products.asp?productID=28

    No discounts, it is terrific value – the best investment you will ever make.

  34. rakesh said on September 10, 2008 at 5:00 pm

    Hi i have complete my engineering degree in India and i didn’t have any work experience so can assessment my engineering degree in austrlia.Is it reconciling in australia..please send me the overall process.

  35. ianlittle said on September 11, 2008 at 1:05 pm

    Rakesh – You need to work on your English. You need an IELTS score of 6.0 in all categories as part of the qualification and skilled migration assessment.
    For assessment of your qualifications you need to go to the Engineers Australia website. For qualifications assessment go to the Migrations Skills Assessment link from the left hand side. Page 14 and the pages following, tell you all you need to know. As your course will not qualify under the Washington Accord you will have to write a Competency Demonstration Report (CDR). Some of the competencies can be based on your university course.

    If you don’t improve your English it will all be a waste of time trying to get qualifications recognition. In two lines of your writing, I can see that your writing skill is not good enough to get a job as a professional engineer.

    Consider a visa to give youn time to help you improve your English. go to the DIAC website for this information.

    LEARN MORE

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    http://www.engineersaustralia.org.au/

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  36. dhaval said on September 12, 2008 at 1:12 am

    Hi i had completed my B.E in Electonic & Telecommunication in nagpur(India) in 2006 and after that i am pursing my dual degree at deakin University in melbourne and its my last semester. I want to know whether i can assessment my Engineering degree in australia.I didnot have any past experience related to my feild. For assessment purpose is there any requirement to have work experience related to your feild or whether it is possible for me to assessment my degree without any work experience.

  37. ianlittle said on September 12, 2008 at 10:44 am

    You will find the answers to your question in the Engineers Australia Migration Skills Assessment Booklet.
    If your current studies give you an Australian undergraduate engineering qualification, use the application form for Australian qualified engineers. This does not require a CDR. Note that you cannot use Australian post graduate bachelor level qualifications (post grad. diplomas, masters, or PhDs) for qualifications assessment.

    For accreditation of your overseas qualification (not Washington Accord ) you will need to prepare a Competency Demonstration Report (CDR), comprising three career episodes.

    As the Engineer Australia Booklet says:

    “The purpose of the CDR is to demonstrate:
    • how you have applied your engineering knowledge and
    skills;
    • that such application meets the competency standards
    of the relevant occupational category in Australia”

    Work experience is not mandatory – But it is highly unlikely you will be able to demonstrate the required competencies without work experience.

  38. dhaval said on September 12, 2008 at 3:13 pm

    thanks for your guidelines but i have some query i have done only group project in my college and i didn’t have any other work experience because after my B.E i had came to Melbourne for my further Study so does it create any problem in my assessment level.

  39. ianlittle said on September 12, 2008 at 4:59 pm

    In my previous response I wrote “it is highly unlikely you will be able to demonstrate the required competencies without work experience.”

    You have a problem. The University of Southern Queensland could help you. You could do a Masters of Engineering Practice by distance learning.

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  40. Suhirthan said on September 13, 2008 at 5:51 am

    Hi Ian,
    I did my Bachelors in Electronics and Telecommunications (4 yrs) in 2005.I have 22 months work experience in the same field and was without any work experience for 11 months in between.
    What will be the probable outcome of my skill assessment and do I need to submit my IELTS score while applying for skill assessment or can I arrange to report my score after applying for skill assessment.
    Thanking you in advance.

  41. ianlittle said on September 13, 2008 at 3:11 pm

    I cannot predict the probable outcome of your assessment as I have no knowledge of the type of job and quality of experience related to your engineering discipline.

    For any assessment purposes the only experience that counts is your relevant engineering experience. The period without engineering work experience is irrelevant. What matters is your competencies. These are obtained through your engineering course and your relevant work experience.

    You can assess you probability of success by reviewing how well you meet the competencies. These are listed in the Engineers Australia Migration Skills Assessment Handbook. A detailed description of competency elements for professional engineers is given on page 28.

    You must include an original English language test (IELTS) result with your application. You must arrange for this to be forwarded directly to Engineers Australia from the Test Centre.

  42. Munk said on September 13, 2008 at 3:15 pm

    Hi Ian,

    First of all let me say thank you on behalf of everyone getting help and advise from your postings.

    I am trying to get my skills assessed via CDR and compose the 3 career episodes and do the summary statement. I have BSc in Civil Engineering (obtained in Mongolia) and worked for almost 4 years in the UK as a Civil Engineer. I found quite a few posts saying their skill assessment was rejected so don’t want to end up in the same situation hence looking to hire Australian expert/professional in Civil Engineering who can help me construct 3 career episodes and summary statement by simply having a chat with me. I know I will mess it up so wouldn’t wanna be involved too much in the writing and would like to leave most of it to the professional.

    Thanks
    Munk

  43. ianlittle said on September 13, 2008 at 3:32 pm

    I cannot help you too much with this one. For ethical reasons I have deleted the second question of your post.

    In the CDR assessment application you have to make a declaration:

    ‘All statements of fact in this report are true and correct, and I have made claims of acquired competencies in good faith.
    The Report is all my own work, and is a true representation of my personal competencies in written English.
    I confirm that I understand that members of the engineering team in Australia are required to display a commitment to exercising professional and ethical responsibility in all aspects of their work.
    I also understand that documentation submitted in support of my application may be referred to the Australian Department of Immigration and Citizenship (DIAC) for integrity checking’

    So you cannot get someone else to write the CDRs for you.

    The writing style required for a CDR report style is similar to that used for Career Episode Reports (CERs) when applying for chartered membership of Engineers Australia.

    You can see a sample of a CER report in the Chartered Status Applicant’s Handbook. This is available online from the Engineers Austarlia website. Select the Education tab, then Chartered Status from the drop down menu. You can download the booklet. A sample CER report is in appendix D of the Handbook.

    http://www.engineersaustralia.org.au

    The skills you need for writing the CDRs are similar to those applying for a job. The Project Australia Engineers Migrant Pack takes you through the whole process of identifying and addressing competencies.

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  44. SUHIRTHAN said on September 14, 2008 at 4:44 pm

    Hi Ian,
    Thankyou for your reply to my previous query.
    Can you make it clear whether I have to submit the IELTS result while applying for skill assessment or can I take the test after applying for skill assessment and report the test result directly from test centre?
    I came to know there are two types of IELTS tests (Academic and General ). Which one of these should I take? I am applying as Proffesional engineer for skill assessment and immigration under subclass 176 (skilled sponsored) .

  45. ianlittle said on September 14, 2008 at 5:37 pm

    You must do the test and submit the IELTS result with the assessment application.
    Unless you are planning to go into teaching, you only need the general test.

  46. rakesh said on September 15, 2008 at 2:03 pm

    HI Ian,
    Thank you for your guidelines for my degree assessment i can give academic ielts test also because general test dates are not available so does it matter or not….

  47. ianlittle said on September 15, 2008 at 8:12 pm

    The academic tests for reading and writing will be more complex (harder) than for the general test. Here is an extract from the iELTS handbook.

    “The Academic Module assesses whether a candidate is ready to study or train in the medium of English at an undergraduate or postgraduate level. Admission to undergraduate and postgraduate courses should be based on the results of this module.

    The General Training Module emphasises basic survival skills in a broad social and educational context. General Training is suitable for candidates who are going to English-speaking countries to complete their secondary education, to undertake
    work experience or training programmes not at degree level, or for immigration purposes to Australia, Canada and New Zealand. The General Training Module is not offered at all test administrations.”

    You can get more information from the IELTS website. http://www.ielts.org.

  48. CHINDHU said on September 16, 2008 at 5:47 pm

    Hi,
    Please advise me…
    I am an Australian permanent resident (Class BN 136 Skilled Independent visa). I did my assessment through TRA at the time of immigration in electrical. After that I have completed my 4 years engineering degree in Mechanical Engineering from India (Calicut University), I have never been to Australia and planning to go by December. I have a bunch of question in my mind which really worries me.
    The questions are:
    1. Can I apply for a job as a mechanical engineer and if I get a job, is there any restriction to do the job?
    2. Is it a must to have my Mechanical Engineering degree qualifications assess by the Engineers Australia and have a membership to work in Australia?
    3. Which is better, to do the assessment by the Engineers Australia from India or from Australia?
    4. As of now I have a Permanent residence, which form do I need to use for degree qualifications assessment by the Engineers Australia?
    5. Is IELTS applicable if applying from Australia?

  49. ianlittle said on September 16, 2008 at 9:32 pm

    Only registered migration agents can comment on visa matters from Australia.
    It will be easier for you to do your assessment from within Australia because you can find more support.
    Membership of Engineers Australia is not mandatory to work in Australia. However accreditation of your qualifications by Engineers Australia will make it easier for you to get a job, as their will be no doubt about the acceptability of your qualifications.
    Your visa status does not affect the form you use for assessment of your qualifications. As your Indian qualifications are a non- recognised qualificatio you will need to prepare a CDR. Use the “Application for Migration Skills Assessment Competetency Demonstrat ion Report (CDR)” form
    You will need an IELTS test as part of the assessment if English is not your native language.

    The Engineers Australia Migration Booklet takes you through the whole process

    http://www.engineersaustralia.org.au

    The skills you need for writing the CDRs are similar to those applying for a job. The Project Australia Engineers Migrant Pack takes you through the whole process of identifying and addressing competencies.

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  50. Dilip said on September 25, 2008 at 3:15 am

    HI,
    I am civil engineer having just about 1 year working experience. i have got 8,6,6,6 in ielts. will i be able to PR visa for australia. if yes, can you assist me in preparing CDR report.

  51. ianlittle said on September 25, 2008 at 9:05 pm

    More information is needed to assess your situation. Certainly you will meet the English level requirements for most visas.

    The Australian Department of Immigration and Citizenship web site has a Visa Wizard. This asks you about a dozen questions, then provides details of visas your are eligible for, and the details of these visas. Note that this is only a guide as there are things like health and police checks which are taken into account when you apply for a visa.

    Go to the Visa Wizard link – http://www.immi.gov.au/visawizard/

    If you need further assistance you will need to contact a migration agent.

    Note that only work experience relevant to your qualifications counts for experience. If you worked for 6 months selling cars and 6 months as a civil engineer, you would only be credited with having 6 months experience when your skilled migrant visa application was being assessed.

    I will answer specific questions related to CDR reports. The CDR report must be all your own work.

  52. shads said on September 27, 2008 at 4:34 pm

    ‘Hello Ian,

    “Thanks a lot for your reply.I confirmed with a couple of consultants and got a reply that I can mention career episodes during my engineering education (i.e projects during the course , summer project etc )in the CDR which should be suitable for a favourable outcome.Now if I can get 120 points for 60 for degree in engineering, 30 for age , 25 for English and 5 for my experience (unrelated to my education),is it still possible that I may be questioned on my experience which is not related to engineering post assessment when I lodge my application. Do you think this will have a bearing on the final outcome of my immigration application.Can you please suggest a way out ?”

    Dear Balli,
    My case is similar to yours. Pls update what happened in your case.
    Ian, can you shed more light on this?

  53. ianlittle said on September 27, 2008 at 8:04 pm

    Sorry mate, I don’t know how Balli has faired.

    If you can improve your English to a score of IELTS 7.0 this would give you 10 points. It would also help you get a job in a Australia. Poor English is a major reason migrants struggle to get jobs in Australia.

    As you are claiming 5 points for your non engineering experience, it should not be a surprise that you may be questioned about it.

    In a job we use many skills that are not directly related to our base discipline. These are called transferable skills. These are very much a part of you that you take to any job. This may be your management, problem soling, people skills, communication, problem solving, enthusiasm and business awareness.

    Analyse what skills you have learned from you non engineering work which you can apply to engineering. This will enable you to justify your claims for the non engineering experience.

    The Project Australia Engineers Migrant Pack takes you through the whole process of identifying and addressing competencies and skills. This will help you with your visa application and winning a job when you land in Australia.

    LEARN MORE

    http://www.tribuslingua.com.au/products.asp?productID=28

  54. Suhail said on October 3, 2008 at 9:44 pm

    Ian,

    I did my Electrical Engineer from Pakistan and later on did my M.Sc. Management from the UK. At the moment, I am working in the field of Information Technology, (Telecom/Networking to be correct).

    Now, I have two questions.

    a) Do I need to take IELTS, as I did my second degree from the UK?
    b) Who will access my qualification and work experience, Engineers Australia or Australian Computer Society?

    Thank You.

  55. ianlittle said on October 4, 2008 at 6:31 pm

    If you had done your Masters degree in Australia you would have been eligible for consideration for a waiver on the IELTS test. As your native language is not English it is likely you will need to do the IELTS test.

    The Engineers Australia Migration Booklet provides information on this.

    http://www.engineersaustralia.org.au

    Who assesses you qualifications depends on the occupation you choose to apply for skilled migration. If you apply as an engineer your qualifications will be assessed by Engineers Australia. If you apply as an IT professional, your qualifications will be assessed by the Australian Computer Society.

  56. Suhail said on October 6, 2008 at 3:28 pm

    Ian,

    Thank you for your help.

  57. Ravi said on October 8, 2008 at 8:17 am

    HiI am Ravi here with u, I am a Mechanical Engineer, done my Diploma in Mechanical Engineering Followed by my Chartered Engineering from Institute of Mechanical Engineers (India)

    I want to know under which accord I am falling? what should I do to get my assisment done.

    I generally wants to have the assisment done for my PR

    Cheers,

    Ravi.

  58. ianlittle said on October 8, 2008 at 8:42 am

    Ravi – Your diploma from an Indian institution does come under the Washington or Sydney Accords. You will need to prepare a Competency Demonstartion Report (CDR).

    Go to the Engineers Australia website and obtain the Engineers Australia Migration Booklet. This takes you through the whole process

    http://www.engineersaustralia.org.au

    The skills you need for writing the CDRs are similar to those applying for a job. The Project Australia Engineers Migrant Pack takes you through the whole process of identifying and addressing competencies.

    LEARN MORE

    http://www.tribuslingua.com.au/products.asp?productID=28

  59. Charles said on October 9, 2008 at 5:57 am

    Hallo Ian,

    I study Mechanical Engineering (National Diploma) at a Technikon in South Africa. I think this qualification falls under the associate engineering section. I tried to open the Eduction tab on the EA site to see the career episode example. I can not open the handbook or see the CE because I am not a member. Can someone please assist me with an example. It can be from a different engineering field (Elec, Civil …). My skills assessment is the last step before I can apply for a Visa. My IELTS scores are 8,8,8 and 7.5. This is a great blog.

  60. ianlittle said on October 9, 2008 at 3:01 pm

    Strange Charles !! – I can get the handbook without logging in as a member: the path is Education, then Chartered Status. You should then have access to a range of .pdf documents, including the Chartered Status Applicants Handbook. This handbook has the example CER in the back of it in Appendix D. You have to be an IEAust member to access the CER Registry, but you should be able to download the Handbook.

    Have another try and let me know if you have any success.

    I would have thought your South African qualifications would be assessed under the Sydney Accord. Have you checked this out ? Go to the Washington Accord website to check this out:

    http://www.washingtonaccord.org/

  61. Jasvir kumar said on October 29, 2008 at 9:25 pm

    I have done Thee year Diploma in Mechanical Engineering and i have 07 year and 08 month work experience related to my qualification my IELTS band score is 5.5 from each module.Can i appy for Mechanical Engineer for SRS VISA.My age is 29 year.

  62. ianlittle said on October 30, 2008 at 4:11 pm

    You need an IELTS score of 6.0 in all categories for skilled visas.

    The Australian Department of Immigration and Citizenship web site has a Visa Wizard. This asks you about a dozen questions, then provides details of visas your are eligible for, and the details of these visas. Note that this is only a guide as there are things like health and police checks which are taken into account when you apply for a visa.

    Go to the Visa Wizard link – http://www.immi.gov.au/visawizard/

    If you need further assistance you will need to contact a migration agent.

    You need to work on your English. This will make it easier for you to get a job.

  63. Anthony Cruz said on October 31, 2008 at 7:05 pm

    Hello Ian,

    Would like to thank you for the excellent assistance offered through this blog.
    I’m Anthony from India, I have completed BE in Mech Engg, Bangalore, India. (Aug ‘99- July ‘03) and pursued MS in Mech Engg from Texas, USA. (Jan’05-Aug’06). Currently I’m working for a Construction firm in the Middle East (Jan 08- till date). Kindly help me clarify certain doubts mentioned below-
    1- I have just have 1 year Work Experience as an Design Engineer, am I eligible to apply for immigration?
    2- I have gained very good experience in 3 different projects in this one year, and I’m confident of preparing a detailed CER about the same, however could you tell me how many pages should a CER contain? Is there any limit.
    3- Is it a must to be recognised as a Professional Engineer by EA, for immigration purpose. What if we fall under catergories of Engineering Technologist/ Engineering Associate?

  64. ianlittle said on November 3, 2008 at 1:19 am

    G’day Anthony

    I cannot advise on immigrations matters. I am not a licensed migration agent. The Australian Department of Immigration and Citizenship web site has a Visa Wizard. This asks you about a dozen questions, then provides details of visas your are eligible for, and the details of these visas. Note that this is only a guide as there are things like health and police checks which are taken into account when you apply for a visa.

    Go to the Visa Wizard link – http://www.immi.gov.au/visawizard/

    If you need further assistance you will need to contact a migration agent.

    That said, I would expect that their is a visa to meet your situation.

    Engineers Australia deliberately do not provide a lot of guidance on writing a CDR. Part of the exercise is to to assess your ability to understand the instuctions and your wirtten expression in English. There is no set length. Engineers Australia will be looking for a concise writing style. Do not write something like War and Peace (a very long book) hoping that there will be smatterings of evidence somewhere that the reviewer will pick up.

    It is not essential to apply for immigration as a professional engineer. If you meet the educational requirements for a technologist or associate you could apply in that category if you meet all the immigration requirements (SOL, ENSOL, MODL)

  65. Peter said on November 5, 2008 at 8:27 pm

    I am a graduate Bachelor of Electronics and Communications Engineering in the Philippines.

    I understand that I need to prepare a CDR because my school is not accredited by neither Washington or Sydney Accord.

    However, I learned from a migration agent that providing a CDR may not be a guaranteed way because my degree as an Engineer in the Philippines may be considered as a DIPLOMA Level in the point of view of Engineers Australia. Therefore, preparing a CDR is meaningless too.

    The weird part is he mentioned that he can check for me if my degree as a Electronics and Communications Engineer is recognized if I pay him some amount of money.

    I never read anything like this from Engineer Australia’s documentation. Can you confirm if there is any truth on this?

  66. ianlittle said on November 7, 2008 at 11:36 am

    G’day Peter

    This is new to me. Don’t go to someone else to get ripped off; come to me!

    What the migration agent has said is correct. Qualifications are assessed by institution and course on whether the course is equivalent to an Australian course. For professional engineer level, this must be a 4 year course. You can have this checked by Australian Education International (AEI) for a AUD400 fee ! A migration agent should be able to do it for much less than that. Here is the link to the AEI website.

    http://aei.gov.au/

    If you are residing in Australia the State Oversaes Qualification Units (OQUs) provide this service free of charge. You cannot get someone living in Australia to do this for you!!

    Engineers Australia do not mention this as the qualification checking is part of the checking they do is part of their assessment. It is included in their price.

    I don’t think it is worth doing this before submitting an application to Engineers Australia. The cost of an applicant for assessment by Engineers Austarlia is AUD450. This is only AUD50 more than getting a separate qualification assessment. Your qualification is likely to be accepted as equivalent to an Australian degree if the course was a 4 year course after 12 years of general education. A University of the Philippines degree is also highly likely to be accepted.

    The decision for you is whether to risk doing a lot of work preparing a CDR (no cost, but your time and effort) or to pay more up front for an AEI check. What you are risking is AUD50 plus the time and effort writing a CDR. If you are prepared to migrate as an engineering technologist, the work you have done in preparing the CDR will be useful for the assessment as a technologist.

    On top of all this there will be additional translation costs to translate your documents into English., but you will need to pay these at some time anyway.

  67. Francis said on November 15, 2008 at 6:16 pm

    Hi Ian,

    I am a Civil Engineer from the Philippines and I am currently here in Australia for a month now on a 457 Work Dependent Visa. I am fully aware that I can’t practice being a Professional Engineer here in NSW without being assessed by EA. I just want to ask if there is a possibility that I could get a job in the construction industry even though I haven’t been assessed? Do I need to have my education recognise by OQU before I could apply for any civil engineering jobs? I have almost 8 years of experienced and had work as a Project Manager, QS, Contracts Administrator, Estimator to name a few.

    As of now, I’m thinking of getting a job first even on an civil engineering entry level before getting the IELTS and the CDR. Hoping to hear from you soon.

    Best regards

  68. Francis said on November 15, 2008 at 6:29 pm

    Hello again Ian,

    What i meant of the “OQU” was do I need to undergo the State Overseas Qualification Units assessment in NSW? Because I have seen in AEI website that there is no legal requirement for licensing or registration for this occupation in New South Wales. Please enlighten me of this one. Thanks in advance.

  69. ianlittle said on November 16, 2008 at 5:29 pm

    Hello, hello Francis – I cannot answer specific questions related to visas and the eligibility to work under specific visa types. For a general skilled migrant visa you will need Engineers Australia assessment. You must seek advice from a registered migration agent.
    http://www.themara.com.au/

    The requirements for immigration and professional accreditation are assessed separately by Engineers Australia. This is covered in detail in Project Australia. See an extract from Project Australia – Land that Engineering Job in Australiain this this blog of May 5 2008

    http://www.tribuslingua.com.au/blog/assessment-of-engineering-qualifications-by-engineers-australia

    If you are employed in a state and area of engineering that does not require formal accreditation. you may be able to get a job with an AEI assessment. Engineers Australia accreditation leaves no doubt about your qualifications. You have to sort out whether this is legal or not. I am sure any prospective employer will need you to assure them that you can work legally under your visa.

  70. Cesar said on November 18, 2008 at 10:07 pm

    Hi, I got a 5-year engineering degree from a good Brazilian university about 8 years ago but I never actually worked with engineering (though my work experience can fit on other “skilled” categories). I am wondering how IEAust will analyze my CDR if it is based only on projects developed during the graduation and with no engineering related CPD. From your experience of rejected CDRs, or reports from people on similar situations, do you have an indication of the likelihood of getting a positive assessment? I guess the key thing is really how much emphasis the IEAust gives to the actual graduation curriculum rather than to post graduation experience. Cheers,

  71. ianlittle said on November 18, 2008 at 11:51 pm

    Cesar – As you have no engineering experience, your CDR will be based on your university experience. In theory this could work as ther is no strictly defined experience requirement for a general skilled migration visa as an engineer. In practice, highly unlikely. The assessment is based on demonstrating competencies via a CDR. This can be done through your course or through work experience.

    The visa would be the easy part. You are highly unlikely to be able to get an engineering job with no engineering experience. You would be competing against recent graduates who have demonstrated an interest in engineering. You would struggle to convince a prospective employer that your real passion is engineering after 8 years doing other things.

  72. sabbir said on November 19, 2008 at 4:32 am

    Hi Ian,

    I have completed my B.Sc. in Computer Science and Engineering (4 years engg. degree). Now i am working as a Microwave & Fiber Transmission Engineer in a telecom company from last three years. If i would score 6 in all parts of IELTS exam, can i proceed for Migration to Australia as an Electronic Engineer though my qualification is B. Sc. in C S E. Will Engineers Australia assess my working experience & Engg. degree under Electronic Engineer (ASCO Code : 2125-13).

    I will be grateful to you if you give me a suggestion.

    Regards
    MAK

  73. ianlittle said on November 19, 2008 at 9:11 pm

    Without full details of the course and institution I cannot comment on the likelihood of the course being acceptable to IEAust. I would expect with three years relevant work experience, if the course was any good you should be able to provide a credible CDR to Engineers Australia. It may depend on the ratio of computer science to engineering subjects you have done in your course how acceptable your qualifications are. There are other hurdle besides IELTS and qualifications recognition to be eligible for, and be granted, a general skilled migration visa. Go to the Engineers Australia website and obtain the Engineers Australia Migration Booklet. This takes you through the whole process

    http://www.engineersaustralia.org.au

  74. Cesar said on November 19, 2008 at 9:47 pm

    Hi Ian,

    Thx for your reply and I understand the concerns in regards finding an engineering job. However I didnt understand very well your comment “In practice, highly unlikely” as you worite later that “the visa part would be the easy one”. Did you mean the CDR approval be highly unlikely to happen with no experience?

  75. ianlittle said on November 20, 2008 at 7:27 am

    Cesar – Let’s put it this way. If I was to lay bets, I would say the odds of you getting a succesful engineering assessment would be 1,000:1. The odds of you getting an engineering job would be 10,000:1.

    I do no think you will be able to successfully complete a satisfactory CDR with no relevant work experience and an eight year old qualification.

    My advise would be to look at possibilities more relevant to your work experience.

  76. PB said on November 24, 2008 at 3:29 am

    Dear,

    I am an Electronics Engineer from India with an experience of 7+ years in embedded domain. While preparing my CDR, I read that I must provide reference letters from my original employer(p15, Migration Skill Assesment Booklet). I am little confused about this. Is my appointment letter enough for this purpose but it doesn’t contain my job objectives or activities? If not, asking to the current employer for a reference letter stating my job activities is not possible or very difficult.

    Thank you in advance on clearing this subject.

    Regards,
    PB

  77. ianlittle said on November 24, 2008 at 8:27 am

    PB – The original appointment letter is a start, but is not sufficient as you may have been terminated in a short time. There are a couple of ways to go about this: (a) you could draft a reference letter for the employer including the appropriate dates and employment duties and details of episodes, or (b) provide a copy of your CV and CDR and request the employer to certify the parts relevant to them. They will have to sign all relevant pages aof all documents.

    I can understand that some employers will not want to provide any detail. The letter may simply be “PB was employed as a professional engineer by ABC Engineering from April1, 2001 to May 24, 2004.”

    This will require the necessary approval certification, including translations by an authorised translator. Include all signatures, status, names and dates -om every page.

  78. PB said on November 25, 2008 at 3:36 am

    Hi Ian,

    Thank you very much for your quick response.

    Is a letter just stating my name, job title and employment dates prepared by company enough?

    If it is so, then it’s not difficult from the current employer.

    Best Regards,
    PB

  79. ianlittle said on November 25, 2008 at 9:35 am

    PB – It is important the letter is clear that you have been working as a professional engineer. If the job title does not make this clear push as hard as you can to get more detail – it could be simply a few words extra such as ” – preparing technical specifications” after the job title. You have to work with what you can get from employers. Australian employers is unlikely to give any details, so Engineers Australia should not be surprised by a minimal statement.

  80. Tanvir Vahora said on November 26, 2008 at 11:02 pm

    Hi,
    Myself Tanvir Vahora from India. Basically I have completed my 4 year Degree in Computer Engineering from Gujarat University in june 2005. Than I went to UK for further study (MBA) in Sept 2005. Now I am confuse here whether I can apply for assessment as an engineer for Australia. One more thing as an engineer I have only 7 month work full time experience and nearly 2 and half year part time.

    Will you please suggest me whats the real solution to this?

    Kind Regards
    Waiting for your reply…
    Tanvir Vahora

  81. ianlittle said on November 27, 2008 at 4:59 pm

    Tanvir – You look very much like a computing professional rather than an engineer. Software and systems engineers are treated as computing professionals by the Department of Immigration and Citizenship. Occupations are listed in the Australian Standard Classification of Occupations (ASCO) dictionary. To assist with searches on the Australian Skills Recognition Information (ASRI) database, follow the link below. This gives details of eligibility and experience required for the different job classifications.

    http://www.immi.gov.au/asri/index.htm

    Note that there is no classification for computer engineers.

    Get yourself a copy of the Australian Computing Society (ACS) Guidelines from their website.

    The requirements for skills assessment differ for Engineers Australia and the Australian Computer Society.

    http://www.engineersaustralia.org.au/

    http://www.acs.org.au/

    There is no time requirement for engineering experience for immigration qualifications assessment. It is just harder to demonstrate the competencies if you have anly your course and practical projects associated with your course to write about in your CDR.

    Your part time work will be calculated to equivalent relevant full time experience based on a 40 hour week. So six months experience of 20 hours a week is equivalent to three months full time experience. NOTE: The experience must be relevant to the classification you are applying for.

  82. Tristan said on December 7, 2008 at 6:03 pm

    Hi,

    My girlfriend has a civil engineering degree from Czezh Republic, her university has an agreement with Oxford. Is it possible that the degree could be recognised as a British qualification and perhaps fall under the Washington Accord? I have visited the Accord websites and their guidlines seem quite general, i.e have a degree from these countries or you are not recognised. Is there more to it? Are there other universities, courses, that are also recognised and is there somewhere where I can find out?

    I might add for all those with scores under 6 for some of there IELTS units that after speaking with EA it would appear that you can get a conditional pass in the following circumstances:
    Sit the test again and if you get >6 for the subject you originally failed and not nessearily the ones you originally passed they will still see this as a pass. I.E you dont have to pass all 4 at one time,
    Ian did make a good point in that getting a job with poor english could well be harder than getting a visa in the first place,

    Regards,

    Tristan

  83. ianlittle said on December 7, 2008 at 8:22 pm

    Tristan – I am not confident you have been to the correct website. See the link below.

    The Accord requirements are specific – down to institution, course and year of commencement Engineers Australia want to review course details for the start and completion years of the particular course taken. The institutions and courses can be found from links from the Washington Accord website.

    http://www.washingtonaccord.org/

    Here is a list of the Accredited Programs taken from that website:

    * EA – (Engineers Australia)
    * Engineers Canada – (Engineers Canada)
    * IEET – (Institute of Engineering Education Taiwan)
    * HKIE – (The Hong Kong Institution of Engineers)
    * EngIRE – (Engineers Ireland)
    * JABEE – (Japan Accreditation Board for Engineering Education)
    * ABEEK – (Accreditation Board for Engineering Education of Korea)
    * IPENZ – (Institution of Professional Engineers NZ)
    * IES – (Institution of Engineers Singapore)
    * ECSA – (Engineering Council of South Africa)
    * ECUK – (Engineering Council UK)
    * ABET – (Accreditation Board for Engineering and Technology)

    By following links to each of these organisatiopns you can track down to individual courses, years and institutions in the specific countries. There is a search option for overseas qualifications..

    You will need to check from the ECUK site if the Czech course is covered under the specific equivalent Oxford course. The wording on the transcript of results may be critical. It will probably be necessary to go to the ECUK to get validation that the Czech degree is recognised as equal to its Oxford counterpart. It certainly is worth doing a bit of legwork. Good luck.

  84. zunaira said on December 9, 2008 at 5:02 am

    Hi!
    I have done bachelors in electrical engineering and am planning to apply for Australian immigration. Since I have done my graduation from Pakistan, I have to submit CDR for assessment. I don’t have much work experience. I am working for the last 5 months. So, what shall I write in CDR? I mean one career episode can be about my current job, but what about the other two episodes? Can they be a semester project? I will also like to mention here that my IELTS score is 7.5 and I have a cGPA of 3.98/4.00.
    Thanx alot for your help.

    Regards,
    zunaira

  85. ianlittle said on December 9, 2008 at 2:56 pm

    Zunaira – You have a flying start with an IELTS of 7.5 (in all categories I hope). Not sure your cGPA has any relevance here ?

    You can write career episodes about project work during your undergraduate studies. The key is to demonstrate you have the competencies listed by Engineers Australia – how you have applied the engineering knowledge and skills taught during your course.

    You may be able to write more than one episode from your work experience if you have worked on different projects or have performed different engineering tasks in your work.

    The CDR episodes are not about your job or position – they are about what you have done. When writing about what you have done, have a copy of the competencies beside you. Continually check that you are writing sentences that tell the reader how you have done things that demonstrate you have the competencies. There is no point in demonstrating one competency five times and missing others out.

  86. harry said on December 19, 2008 at 2:51 am

    hi Ian

    I have done elctronics & communication engineering i have more then 3 years continous experience in field operation engineering related to microwave & bts & other transmission equipments , I am elegible to fall in category of electronics engineer, will i get modl points for that.

  87. ianlittle said on December 19, 2008 at 3:21 am

    Harry – You need to go to the Depatment of Immigration and Citizenship (DIAC) website to get the answer to this. My aim is to help you help yourself. Australian employers want engineers who can work things out for themselves. Here is a chance to start practicing.

    The Australian Department of Immigration and Citizenship web site has a Australian Skills Recognition Information (ASRI) page. This page tells you the eligibility requirements for each occupation.

    Go to the ASRI website – http://www.immi.gov.au/asri/

    If you need further assistance you will need to contact a migration agent.

  88. maruf said on December 19, 2008 at 5:02 am

    I have just seat for IELTS exam, The online result showed I have got 5.5 in writing whereas my overall band score is 6. How this will affect in my migration to Australia as a B.Sc. Engineer (Chemical).

  89. ianlittle said on December 19, 2008 at 5:42 am

    Maruf – You will not be eligible for skilled migration until you have Passed aech element with a score of 6.0 or more. So get practicing on your writing and resit the test. To have the best chance at getting a job, set yourself an IELTS target of at least 7.0 in all categories.

  90. akbar said on December 19, 2008 at 4:46 pm

    I have completed my B.Sc in Industrial and Production Engineering in 2004 From BUET. Now I am working in a knit composite industry. I like to immigrate to Australia. I shall write down three career episode. But my occupation is not included in the list of migration occupation in Demand. Shall I be eligible to apply for immigration to Australia.

  91. ianlittle said on December 19, 2008 at 8:19 pm

    The Australian Department of Immigration and Citizenship web site has the Australian Skills Recognition Information (ASRI) page. This page tells you the eligibility requirements for each occupation.

    Go to the ASRI website – http://www.immi.gov.au/asri/

    As production emgimeering is not on the MODL you have to consider other visa types you may be eligible for. For example: if you have a spouse who is eligible, you may be able to gain entry as a spouse. Could you qualify as a production manager ?

    If you need further assistance you will need to contact a migration agent.

  92. Roger said on December 21, 2008 at 1:20 am

    Hey Ian,
    I graduated as a civil enggr from Delhi ,India.My 4 yr B.E. program started in 2000 and ended in 2006 (technically shud have completd in 2004) as i had some supplimentary exams left.Meanwhile i also started working in 2004 as a site engineer till the end of 2006.will this experience be considered as full time/part time or something as a part of college studies???
    does my inability to complete the degree within the standard 4 yrs weaken my argument to obtain a positive assessment from E.A??

    i have been in melbourne and have also completed my MBA frm Deakin.Does this help somehow???

    thanks fr devoting precious moments of ur time towards our queries.

    ciao.

  93. ianlittle said on December 21, 2008 at 12:11 pm

    Roger – Your MBA does not help. Engineers Australia assess your undergraduate engineering qualification. What matters about your degree is that Engineers Australia assess the course as equivalent to a 4 year Australian engineering degree. Engineers Australia want to know you have passed and been awarded a degree.

    The main thing your MBA study will have done is help you improve your English and get used to the Australian ways. A very expensive way to do it !

    You will have to do a competency demonstration report (CDR) which includes three CERs. Your work experience as a site engineer should have provided you with some good material to write career episode reports (CERs). There is no work experience requirement for engineers. You can check this up on the ASRI page. Go to the ASRI website – http://www.immi.gov.au/asri/
    In theory you could write your CERs from your undergraduate studies without any work experience – highly unlikely though.

    You need to work more on your written English. There are a large number of errors in your comment !

  94. AWAIS said on December 28, 2008 at 5:01 am

    Sir iwant to study bachelors of engineering in AUSTRALIA. Sir i have no ielts but i can speak and understand english. Please lead me to a university which does not required ielts or tofel.
    Sir please help me in my admission process

  95. ianlittle said on December 29, 2008 at 12:51 pm

    Awais – The real proof of your English language skills is the IELTS test. If you cannot pass this and you do not have enough money to pay for it, it is highly unlikely you will be able to successfully complete an engineering course in Australia.
    I suggest you search the web to find a site where you can buy a degree so you do not have to do any work. that will be your lowest cost and easiest option. Just joking! Your question does not seem serious.

  96. uday said on December 31, 2008 at 4:40 pm

    Hai ian,

    i have completed my B.Tech 4yr Engineering in india 2003… after that i am in australia to study masters from 2004 to 2007 & back to india and working as a Electronics Engineer in a small organization. Now i got a chance to migrate to Australia because the profession in MODL… the thing is do i come under Washington Accord or do i really need to prepare CDR’s, please let me ASAP

  97. ianlittle said on January 1, 2009 at 1:00 pm

    Uday – You do not come inder the Washington Accord. Your qualification assessment will be based on your bachelor degree. so you will need to prepare a CDR.

    See Section B1 on page 10 of the Engineers Australia Handbook – Migration Skills Assessment regarding Australian post-graduate level qualifications.

    “Please note that if your Australian qualifications are at the post-graduate level (eg, Postgraduate Diploma, Master of Engineering, PhD) but your undergraduate engineering qualifications are from overseas you cannot apply using this pathway.”

  98. Daniel said on January 8, 2009 at 7:46 pm

    Hi,
    I have a Master of Telecommunications Engg from La Trobe Univerisity (2003-2004) and Bachelor Engineering (B.E.)- Electronics and Communication Engineering(1999-2003). I am into Software Development for the past 4 years and 6 months. I have been in 5 different companies so far and have worked directly on electronic hardware interface programming on most projects (except for one year in my second company). Do you think I stand a fair chance to have a positive skills assessment?
    I would really appreciate any suggestions and comments.

    Thanks,
    Daniel

  99. ianlittle said on January 9, 2009 at 10:16 am

    Daniel – It looks like you will be assessed as a computer professional rather than as an engineer. You will need to have a look at the MODL listing for your software speciality and the full ASCO occupation definition. See the blog post

    Engineers and Computing (IT) Professionals migrating to Australia on Nov 17 2008

    You will need to go to the Australian Bureau of Statistics website to get the full details on theASCO job definitions.

  100. rudra said on January 10, 2009 at 1:07 am

    dear,
    I am a civil engineer wit 3 yrs of exp(2 yrs in dubai). I have some ques:-

    1) “without engineers australia’s approval i will not get 60 point as a professional engineer”-is this true?
    2) only after assesing my qualification thru engineers australia, i can apply for skilled migration?
    3) is this possible to apply for both (for assesment and for skilled migration)simultaneously?
    Regards,
    rudra

  101. ianlittle said on January 10, 2009 at 2:44 pm

    Rudra -1 Yes. Your qualifications must be recognised by the relevant authority. For engineering occupations this is Engineers Australia. 2 & 3 You must have acceptable qualifications to apply for a general skilled migration visa. You should seek advice from a registered migration agent about applying for visas.

    http://www.themara.com.au/

    It is not compulsory to use a migration agent. There are clear instructions available from the Department of Immigration and Citizenship website. For this information and advice go to:

    http://www.immi.gov.au

    Download and read Booklet 6 – General Skilled Migration.

    Go to the Engineers Australia website and obtain the Engineers Australia Migration Booklet. This takes you through the whole process.

    http://www.engineersaustralia.org.au

  102. bulma said on January 10, 2009 at 11:25 pm

    Hi all,
    Im an electronic enginneer, and Im preparing for skills assessment at EA. I wanna ask some friends here who have received the assessment result from EA that:

    1. What is in the Assessment Result? Did they just give the point or it also include some comments, …?
    For with my case, it says I can get 60 point but does it mean if I passed I can get 60 point? Or depending on your companies names, your university name, your graduate score then you have different point (at max = 60)?

    2. I have worked at two companies, but the 1st one I just worked for 6 months, the 2nd company I worked for 6 years, so is it necessary to get the reference letter for the 1st company? If in my CV I list my work experience at 2 companies but I just submit 1 LOR, is this unacceptable for EA?

    Thanks & Regards
    bulma
    Bulma

  103. ianlittle said on January 11, 2009 at 5:49 pm

    Bulma – Engineers Australia do not allocate points. They assess your qualifications based om your academic qualifications and your CDR, if your country of study is not covered by the Accords.. If you apply for assessment as an professional engineer you may be assessed as an engineering technologist or engineering associate if Engineers Australia do not consider you have satisfied the competencies for a professional engineer. They will not consider your for a higher classification occupation. So if you applied as an engineering technologist, they would not consider accepting you as an engineer. Engineers Australia will tell you what occupation they accept you as. What points that occupation is worth for a skilled visa depends on the Department of Immigration, for the occupation Engineers Australia recognises for your qualifications.
    I will be interested to see other peoples experiences on your second question. I would get the reference letter to save any delays in your application. It will help you lster on when applying for a job. Employers are suspicious of periods of short term employment.

  104. Sanjay said on January 12, 2009 at 11:30 am

    hi,
    I have done my diploma in mechanical on 2001 from india and after that I joined in a MNC company boskalis as a project engineer and I again studied for degree In 2002 and completed my degree on 2006 from Institution of mechanical engineers ,Mumbai.but side by side i was doing my job I have not left my job till now and I am now as a sr project engg in that dredging company.but now with a misguidance i came with spouse visa and come to melbourne.I have not quited my job till now.so will I iligible for PR is my IME college will be iligible for that or not and being 7 years of experience in project it is iligible or not please suggest me so that i will proceed for IELTS and i get apply for pr?

  105. ianlittle said on January 12, 2009 at 5:21 pm

    Sanjay – Years of professional engineering experience is not an issue as there is no work experience requirement for professional engineers for a skilled migrant visa.

    As you are in Australia, you can get the Overseas Qualification Unit (OQU) in your State to assess your qualifications. And it is a free service. http://www.immi.gov.au/asri/os-qual-units.htm

    Note that an OQU assessment does not help you with a visa application or Engineers Australia acceptance of your qualifications. What it will tell you is if your degree is considered academically equivalent to a 4 year Australian degree. If it not, Engineers Australia will assess you CDR as being for a lesser occupation.

    Also download a copy of “Working in Victoria, an engineer’s guide” from the Live in Victoria website.

    I think you will need to improve your English to pass an IELTS test. Work on that first. The better your English is the more chance you will have of getting a job.

    You really need to get yourself a copy of Project Australia – Land that engineering Job in Australia. That tells you all about everything to get you started.

    Your years of experience are not relevant. You will need to write a competency demonstration report for the occupation of professional engineer with 3 career episodes. Study the Migrant Skills Assessment handbook from Engineers Australia,particularly the competencies. If you have been using engineers skills and responsibilitirs you should be able to be assessed as a professional engineer. The rest is an immigration matter where other factors are considered.

    Register on this site for more information.

  106. Deepa said on January 13, 2009 at 7:55 pm

    HI,

    I am deepa from bangalore,India.I have completed my bachelors in computer science.HAve 6+ exp in telecom & eyewear division pertaining to quality,customer service & training.
    I have my sister in law in australia who is a permanent resident.
    My husband works as regional sales manager handling south & east region,haa diploma with 8 years of exp.We both are planning to migrate to australia .We are planning to apply skilled independent work visa.We would like to know if we are eligible for the same.REquire your assitance.

    Regards
    deepa

  107. ianlittle said on January 14, 2009 at 12:23 pm

    Deepa – Youe work experience must be relevant to the occupation you are nominating for your visa (identified by the ASCO code). If you are considering applying as a computer professional, I do not think your work experience in quality and customer service in eyewear will be considered relevant. You need 4 years in a computing field listed in the MODL.

    There is not enough information to comment on your husband’s situation.

    You need to go to the Australian Bureau of Staatistics website to get the full job descriptions.

  108. Jurandir said on January 14, 2009 at 2:46 pm

    Dear Mr. Ian Little,

    I’m a Brazilian chemical engineer who is working for a mechanical engineering company as a project engineer. I have 2 years experience in Brazil and almost 1 year here.

    I’m holding a 457 visa (business long stay) and i’ll probably apply for my Permanent Residency after take my IELTS test on 14th March, so i’m looking for a Master which could bring me more and better opportunities for the near future. I was looking for Mater of Business Administration, but i found Master of Project Management interesting, could you please let me know about the career prospects as a chemical engineer in these different situations?

    Thank you very much.

    Best regards.

  109. ianlittle said on January 14, 2009 at 3:00 pm

    Jurinda – Both of these qualifications will be considered of value by employers. Your choice depends more on what you have done to date and where you want your career to head. An MBA is more suited to general engineering management wheras the PMI course is directed at project management.

    If you have less than 7 – 10 years experience it is more important to get a good grounding in your discipline before heading off into these management directions. It is better get a job and establish yourself in the Australian engineering world before heading to higher qualifications. Solid work experience also makes these courses easier and more valuable. It is not a bad idea to do these management courses
    part time. Employers may help you with paying fees too.

  110. amrit said on January 14, 2009 at 3:43 pm

    hi i am in electronics engineer. i have completed my engineering level in 2007 and i have one year experience in my related field. Presently, i will working to prepare CDR report. But, its too hard to complete it without any guidence.. Where can i find the samples of CDR report?

  111. ianlittle said on January 14, 2009 at 7:57 pm

    Amrit – It will be hard to complete your CDR with only one years experience. You should be able to get one good career episode out of your final year undergraduate project. Register on this site and you will receive some helpful advice. Scan back through our blog and the answers to questions for further advice.

    Study the competencies in the Engineers Australia Migration Skills Assessment handbook and the occupation description on the Australian Bureau of Statistics (ABS) website. You can also get some useful information from the Engineers Australia Charterd Status Applicant’s Handbook. The writing style example in that handbook is similar to that for migration skills assessment career episodes.

    The secret of success is that the career episode reports must show that you have done the tasks in the ASCO occupation description and have employed the competencies of a professional engineer.
    It could take another one or two years before you have enough useful work experience to demonstrate the competencies.

  112. varun said on January 14, 2009 at 8:54 pm

    Hi I am an electronics engineer. I will be completing my engineering in 2009.I want to apply for migration but I don’t have any experience in my related field. My relatives (residing in Australia) are ready to sponsor me. Can I get permanent residency on skilled migration visa without having any experience? I know that there is no requirement of experience for skill assessment but what about requirement of experience for visa. Also I want to buy your book (Project Australia: Land That Engineering Job in Australia), do you have sent copies of book to any bookseller in India.

  113. ianlittle said on January 14, 2009 at 9:00 pm

    Varun – I am not allowed to comment on the visa issues. There is no experience requirement for the engineering occupations listed on the Occupations in Demand Lists. (MODL). Go to the visa wizard on the Immigration Department website. I think your best possibility is to start with a temporary graduate visa (476) for 18 months to give you time to prepare for employment. You need to talk to a migration agent.

    You can the digital version of Project Australia from this website and download instantly. Using Paypal you do not need a credit card.

  114. bulma said on January 14, 2009 at 9:43 pm

    Hi Ianlittle, Thanks for your helpful response :-)
    May I ask you another question about Reference Letter: Who can sign in a Reference Letter? I have read somewhere that even a colleague can sign it too. Cause I just dont want my boss know about my plan (in case its not successful u know …). But if a Boss signature is more effective than a colleague’s … I still can ask my Boss for that. So can you help confirm me about this? Thanks a lot in advance :-)

  115. ianlittle said on January 15, 2009 at 1:00 am

    G’day Bulma – Your boss does not need to certify your documents. Section A paragraph 5 of the Engineers Australia Migration Skills Assessment handbook list all the people who can certify documents. The requirements for your CV are in Section C paragraph 3.3. This is what it says:

    “If in your CV/resumé you claim engineering work experience of 12 months or more, then you must provide certified copies of original employer reference letter(s), and certified translations into English where necessary.
    If a career episode is based upon engineering work, then you must provide an employer reference letter.”

    These letters could be from the Numan Relations department of your company.

    The handbook is available from the Engineers Australia website.

    http://www.engineersaustralia.org.au/

    Follow the link on Migration Skills Assessment on the left hand side.

  116. Dilip said on January 15, 2009 at 2:32 am

    HI,
    I am civil engineer and i want my skill to be assessed by Engineer Australia through my CDR. How long it will take to be assess and how long it will take to get PR visa after skill been assessed.
    Thank you for your support

  117. ianlittle said on January 15, 2009 at 8:32 am

    Dilip – Engineers Australia will take 4-6 weeks to assess your qualifications. You will need to talk to a migration agent about the time for assessment of a visa application. engineers now get priority as they are included on the critical skills list. The biggest delays in assessment are due to incomplete applications. You need to be very thorough in getting all the right documents and having them correctly verified.

  118. akbar said on January 18, 2009 at 6:47 pm

    My educational background is B.Sc in Industrial and Production Engineering. I have worked three years as an Industrial and Production Engineer in a local company. Now I am working as Head of the planning department. I have written down three career episode out of which two episode related to industrial engineering and one episode related to production engineering. If I apply under which occupation my assessment will be evaluated either industrial or production engineering ?

    Pls advise me in this regard.

    Thanking you
    Akbar

  119. ianlittle said on January 18, 2009 at 8:24 pm

    Akbar – You can choose the occupation that best suits your needs. Before you write anything you need to decide which is the best occupation to choose for migration purposes. Do not think about what you call yourself, or what you want to be. You have to think -what is the best occupation to give me the most chance of migration. Factors to consider are:

    • your qualifications
    • your relevant work experience, type of work and number of years
    • the points of an occupation towards a skilled visa
    • your age
    • requirements of the assessing authority and how well you can demonstrate competencies for that occupation in your CDRs

    The Australian Department of Immigration and Citizenship web site has the Australian Skills Recognition Information (ASRI) page. This page tells you the eligibility requirements for each occupation.

    Go to the ASRI website – http://www.immi.gov.au/asri/

    As production and industrial engineering are not on the MODL you have to consider other visa types you may be eligible for. For example: if you have a spouse who is eligible, you may be able to gain entry as a spouse.

    The occupation you use for immigration purposes has no effect on your job chances.

    If you need further assistance you will need to contact a migration agent.

    When you have decided the best occupation for you. Write your career episodes around the job role and tasks for that occupation. This information is available from the Australian Bureau of Statistics (ABS) website.

  120. Dinesh Shah said on January 26, 2009 at 9:51 am

    Need to advise a relative from India. He has done a Bachelor of Engineering and Communications degree. No work exprerience. He is taking Masters courses in communication at UTS, Sydney. Has he got any chance of getting his degree recognised by Engineers Australia as equivalent to a similar degree from Australia. As that is the first requirement for applying for a permanent residency in due course, would like to know so that I can advise him accordingly. Will sincerely appreciate your feedback.

  121. ianlittle said on January 26, 2009 at 4:33 pm

    G’dayd-Dinesh – As his undergraduate qualification is from India, it is deemed non-recognised. He will have to do a competency demonstration report (CDR). Theoretically this is possible, but practically it is unlikely to be successful as he has limited experience to draw from to prepare the three career episode reports required. The Australian masters degree wiil not help him towards immigration assessment. Engineers are assessed on their undergraduate qualification.

    Download a copy of the latest General Skilled Migration Booklet (6) – Form 1119 from the Department of Immigration and Citizenship (DIAC) website http://www.immi.gov.au

    This booklet will help you understand the requirements for General Skilled Migration to Australia.

    Go to the Engineers Australia website and download a .pdf copy of the Migration Skills Assessment booklet. http://www.engineersaustralia.org.au

    This booklet takes you through the whole process.

  122. anil said on January 27, 2009 at 3:46 am

    sir,
    i am electrical and electronics engineer graduating this year.I am presently studying from a college in India.I want to migrate to Australia.I am going to apply for my masters degree from UNSW this year.I want to know which one has a better scope in Australia whether working as electrical engineer or electronics engineer.Also which one has high salary. USYD(University of Sydney) is introducing a new course master of professional engineering,i want to know whether it is worth doing this course as my aim is to work in Australia.

  123. ianlittle said on January 27, 2009 at 5:22 pm

    Anil – You can obtain a summary of engineering pay rates from the APESMA web site. Your best path for migration is to get a job relevant to your qualification. For migration, your qualifcations are assessed on your undergraduate degree, so you will need to do a competency demonstration report with 3 career episodes in either electrical or electronics engineering. See my response to Dinesh a couple of days ago.

    The money is not all that different between the engineering disciplines. Work out what you really enjoy doing. At the moment that looks like being a student. Get a job.

    In Australia there is not such a high importance placed on higher degrees. Before you head down that path, get some good engineering work experience. Show you understand the Australian workplace and culture. then when you have proven yourself, look at doing a higher degree. At the moment you look to be heading down a path that will cost you a lot of money and will not help towards permanent immigration.

    I don’t know about this new USYD course. ask them if the course will guarantee you acceptance by Engineers Australia if you successfully complete the course.
    Before you start on any course you should ask that question.

    Be sure your course will help towards immigration. Be clear what your goal is, and make sure that the things you plan to do will help you reach that goal.

  124. Anil said on January 27, 2009 at 10:07 pm

    Sir,
    Thank you for your reply.
    As you said that in Australia there is not such a high importance placed on higher degrees. Before I head down that path, get some good engineering work experience. Will I be able to get the job based on my undergraduate qualifications from India as I know that Engineer Australia will not accredit my degree as my degree is from India? I have relatives in Sydney willing to sponsor me. When I see visa options I came across temporary graduate visa (476) for 18 months and my university from which I will be graduating this year is not on their list of recognized overseas institution which is mandatory, means I can’t apply this visa. What should I do please guide me Should I come over their on student visa do masters degree then after my chances of getting job will be increased as masters degree from Australia will be accredited by Engineer Australia body

  125. ianlittle said on January 28, 2009 at 4:45 pm

    Anil – I cannot advise on immigration matters. you need to talk with an migration agent.

    Have a look at the requirements for the engineers Pyear on the Engineers Education Australia (EEA) website. http://www.eeaust.com.au/eea/page
    To become eligible for the Pyear you need to complete two years of an Australian degree. You need to ask EEA if a engineering masters counts. You can ask EEA from their website.

    It is incorrect to assume that an Australian masters degree will improve your chances of getting a job.

    The Australian masters degree by itself will not help towards an immigration assessment either. Engineers are assessed on their undergraduate qualification.

    I repeat – I advise you not to proceed on any course without a clear indication by the course provider, Engineers Australia, and an immigration agent that there is a clear path to a visa, and improved chances of getting a job. Do not rely on your assumptions. Things are not so simple down under.

    The best way to get a job is to show you can work.

  126. Shreenivas said on January 29, 2009 at 1:08 am

    Sir, I did Diploma in Civil Engineering in 1993 from INDIA, Presently I am working as a Quantity Surveyor at Dubai, I have 14 years of Expereince in INDIA and 1 year Expierence in DUBAI, I want to imigrate
    to Australia. In which Trade I have to Apply ? I am 34 years. Please Advice.

  127. ianlittle said on January 29, 2009 at 5:27 am

    Shreenivas – You apply for the occupation for which you have the best mixture of the following:

    qualifications
    relevant experience to the occupation you choose to migrate as
    ability to have qualifications recognised
    is an occupation in demand (on SOL, ENSOL and/or MODL lists )
    points for the occupation to suit your chosen visa

    The requirements for immigration and professional accreditation are separate. Check out the requirements for both before selecting your occupation.

  128. Adeel said on January 30, 2009 at 11:34 am

    Hi,
    I have done 4 years BS in Electronics Engineering from Pakistan, and my qualification is also recognized by local engineering body in Pakistan. I would like to know that if iam able to make a good CDR is there any chance that i will be assessed as an Electronics Engineer(4 years), instead of Electronics Engineer Technologist or Associate. As in my case i desperately need it to complete 120 skilled migration points.
    Thankyou.

  129. ianlittle said on January 30, 2009 at 4:51 pm

    Adeel – A good CDR should work. You will need good electronics engineering work experience which matches the ASCO occupation task descriptions to give you the experience to write about in your career episode reports. You must demonstrate you have electronics engineer skills and abilities through a description of what you have done in your work.
    I cannot comment on your course as there is no detail. Recognition of your qualification depends on the institutions and years of your course. The general requirement is 4 years university after 12 years schooling. Electronics engineering is on the MODL.

  130. Anthony said on February 4, 2009 at 9:46 am

    Sir, I am Mechanical Engineer working as operations manager in one of the Japanese manufacturing company here in the Philippines. I understand that Australia Engineers requires a minimum of 6 in all band of IELTS in general training. My qiestion is, do I need to take IELTS academic if I work as a Mechanical Engineer in Australia?

  131. ianlittle said on February 4, 2009 at 3:41 pm

    Anthony – IELTS General Training Module is suitable for immigration purposes. If you achieve band 7 you will get extra points toward a skilled visa. The better your English is, the better your chances of getting a job quickly.

  132. hemant said on February 6, 2009 at 10:07 pm

    sir
    my search to find the way to migrate AUSTRALIA statrted since 2004. In this passage of time i have come across many consultants too. But still i am here wihout unaltered.
    I am in INDIA MALE 44 ( to be completed in 15th feb2009 )
    By the way I have completed My DIPLOMA IN CIVIL ENGG in 1983
    There after i have complete my BE CIVIL in 1995 ( 1991-95 )
    from 1984 to 1986 i have supervisory experience
    SINCE 1986 I i have been serving In the STATE RESEARCH INSTITUTE ( GERI ) , Govt Of Gujaratin the capacity of Junior scientific ASSISTANT.
    GERI, is R & D & testing in the field of civil engg materials like soil ,cement , like
    I have worked mainly in the field of assessing natural resources & its managemnt projects through REMOTE SENSING TECHNOLOGY & GIS as a civil engineer after my BE
    so pl guide me
    NOW where should i apply?
    Mean IN 2124 Or any other?
    Thanking u

  133. ianlittle said on February 7, 2009 at 9:52 am

    Hermant – If you turn 45 on 15 February 2009 (next week) you will be too old for skilled migration to Australia. (You may be able to find other paths – talk to a migration agent.) If you turn 44, you have one year before you are too old for skilled migration.

    Go to the bookshop on this site and buy an electronic copy of Project Australia. I wrote this to help people like you. It provides a wide range ofl information and links to all the important sites where you can find detailed information to meet your specific needs. Don”t rely on others, get the information yourself. If you are not self sufficient you will not succeed in Australia.

    Only your past 4 years work experience are really relevant towards accreditation of qualifications for immigration. You will need to get accreditation as a professional engineer to get enough points to be eligible for a skilled visa. You will probably need an IELTS of 7 in a least in one category as well. If you can be sponsored that will help.

    Download Booklet 6 – General Skilled Migration, from the Department if Immigration from the following link: http://www.immi.gov.au/allforms/booklets/books6.htm

    To obtain further definition of an occupation go to the Australian Bureau of Statistics (ABS) website. This site has expanded definition which includes typical tasks for each occupation. It also references related occupations.

    http://www.abs.gov.au/ausstats/abs@.nsf/0/5C244FD9D252CFC8CA25697E00184D35?opendocument

    Choose the occupation which you are best able to demonstrate you have the skills and abilities for which gives you the most points towards a visa.

  134. Anthony said on February 9, 2009 at 11:32 am

    Sir:

    My cousin is eligible making me qualified for Skilled migrant subclass 176. I was informed that I don’t need to prepare CDR under subclass 176; however, i have to be assessed ( as mechanical engineer) prior to lodging my application. i am currently reviewing in IELTS examination, do I need to submit IELTS result for the skills assessment? It would be convenient for me to take IELTS exam if I have enough time reviewing. Is it possible to submit IELTS after my skills assessment, include it during lodging my permanent resident visa application? Thanks

  135. ianlittle said on February 9, 2009 at 4:18 pm

    Anthony – read this website

    http://www.immi.gov.au/skilled/general-skilled-migration/176/

    Follow through the linked pages and assess for yourself. This visa is subject to a points test. Engineers Australia is the assessing body.

    I am asssuming your undergraduate qualification is not from an Australian university and not from a Washingtom Accord signatory country – a non-recognised qualification. (I read between the lines as your native language is not English.)
    The way I read it you will need to do a CDR and you will need to do an IELTS test and submit the reference to the results with your application for assessment of your qualifications.

    Check with an Australian registered migration agent.

  136. Pedro said on February 13, 2009 at 4:26 am

    Dear Sir

    Me and my wife we are both Civil Engineers in Portugal. We finished our 5 years degree in 2000 and have been working as Civil Engineers since then. We both scored 7 in the IELTS Exam (Academic). We are now writing our CERs to present to Engineers Australia and we would like to know, from your wide expirience, how usual it is, for EA, to give an assessment as Professional Civil Engineer. This is important for us because only this categorie (Professional) is in demand in Australia.

    Thank You for your help.

  137. ianlittle said on February 13, 2009 at 10:54 am

    Pedro – Civil engineers are the second largest group to have professional engineering qualifications recognised by Engineers Australia. Mechanical engineers are the largest group.

    Good English will really help you get a job – You only needed the general IELTS.

    Good luck with your CERs. Read the engineering competencies and the ASCO occupation definition. Go to the Australian Bureau of Statistics (ABS) website. This site has expanded occupation definitions which includes typical tasks for each occupation.

    http://www.abs.gov.au/ausstats/abs@.nsf/0/5C244FD9D252CFC8CA25697E00184D35?opendocument

    CERs are your story. People find it difficult to write “I did this” and “I did that” but that is the style for CERs. They are all about writing about your actions to demonstrate you have the skills of a civil engineer by writing how you have completed civil engineering tasks.

  138. Moses Selembu said on February 15, 2009 at 6:35 pm

    Wonderful job Ianlittle….your posts has helped and transformed lives of many engineers.

    May I request your opinion on my case:-

    I am from Kenya- Africa i have recently applied for PR Visa under Electronic Engineer ASCO Code. (I got positive assessment just by using your tips, so thanks to you Ian)
    I have 3 years experience in Telecoms as an RF Engineer in 2.75G International Mobile Network Company…

    I am confused on which strategy to take, should I come to Australia and for a job Immediately with my currently qualifications (Bachelors in Telecoms & IT) or should i enroll for my masters degree in Telecoms Engineering then look for job prospects latter???…It may seem too early for me to start thinking along those lines because I don’t have a pr visa yet…but I have always believed in early planning…

    What are my chances of securing a job after completion of below course?
    http://www.latrobe.edu.au/coursefinder/local/2009/Master-of-Business-Administration-and-Master-of-Telecommunication-Engineering.4675.html

    Looking forward for a quick and precise response.
    Thanks for everything IAN.

  139. ianlittle said on February 15, 2009 at 8:21 pm

    Moses – It is a difficult time for job hunting at the moment. I feel work experience is more important than general academic qualifications. I think it is best to come here and establish yourself and get a feel for what Australian industry needs so that your higher degree is specifically tailored to a job and employer. An MBA is something you can start part time – that saves you money. It is also easier to do, and you get more value from an MBA course if you have some real management experience. The test I suggest when thinking about doing a higher degree is – Are you sure it is targeted to get you a specific job? If it is broad based it probably does not make you more employable at the end.

  140. Moses Selembu said on February 15, 2009 at 9:09 pm

    Thanks alot Ian….your advice is laudable

  141. Ifran said on February 17, 2009 at 9:17 am

    I have Bsc in Mechanical engineering from Sri lanka. I understand that I need to prepare a CDR because my country engineering society is accredited by neither Washington nor Sydney Accord. I kind of confuse after reading the book # 6.My question is
    Do I have to write 3 CDR and 3 CER or I have to write combination of 3?

  142. ianlittle said on February 17, 2009 at 4:23 pm

    Ifran – You have to prepare one CDR. There are a number of documents to make up a CDR. You have to write three separate career episode reports (CERs) to include your CDR.

    Go to the Engineers Australia website and download a .pdf copy of the Migration Skills Assessment booklet. http://www.engineersaustralia.org.au

    This booklet takes you through the whole CDR process. Read it thoroughly before you strat writing anything.

  143. PB said on February 19, 2009 at 2:48 am

    Dear,

    I have sent my CDR to EA which was received on 5th Jan by EA. Just now I realized that my attested documents don’t contain contact number or email-id of the attesting authority but contain city name along with full name and his licence/registration number. Is it going to create any issue while assesment? BTW, I haven’t received any notice from EA till now. Should I resend my documents to EA with proper attestation to avoid delay or wait for their notice?

    Do EA send any email when assesment is complete before courier?

    Thanks for your advise.

    Regards,
    PB

  144. ianlittle said on February 19, 2009 at 4:09 pm

    PB – Here is what the Migration Skills Assessment handbook says in scetion A8.

    “If there are any deficiencies in your submission you will be notified in writing. If the application is successful you will receive a Letter of Recognition suitable for migration purposes.
    Letters of recognition are sent by ordinary post. If you wish to use a courier you must organise that yourself.”

    Just wait. The notification will come to you by normal mail.

  145. anil said on February 21, 2009 at 3:59 pm

    Hi I m a student graduating this year, my branch is electronics and telecommunication engineering. I don’t have a job and also having problem finding one in my own country due to recession, so I m applying for course master of professional engineering in university of Sydney. I have seen the website this course is given only provisional accredition by engineer Australia as it is a new course. They are saying that they will be giving full accredit ion after first batch graduates (this year).Should I join the course thinking that course will get full accredition? Please also tell me that how should I find out that which course will provide me the job in Australia. After this course I will apply for PR (under sponsored by my relative residing in Australia).I know it is an expensive process therefore I will take loan from bank. Please give me guidance.

  146. ianlittle said on February 21, 2009 at 7:51 pm

    Anil – How will doing this course make you more employable ? I doubt if it will. This seems an expensive way of hoping the employment situation will improve. Accreditation of the course is probably the least of your worries. I would ask the university to sign a contract refunding your fees if they fail to get the course accredited by Engineers Australia. Without accreditation iy is of no value to you, so why pay? If they do not do this I would not pay to do the course.
    Wherever you are it will be difficult to get a job at the moment. Look to do things that will really help lead to an engineering job. Get work experience. Maybe work as a technician in the industry to get industry experience. If you want to come to Australia, work on your English so your are at least IELTS 7 in all categories.

  147. anil said on February 21, 2009 at 9:27 pm

    Please tell me if you know any course that I can do to make myself more employable. As I also have to complete two year study requirement in Australia in order to apply for PR visa.

  148. ianlittle said on February 21, 2009 at 10:00 pm

    Anil – I would look at other paths tp get PR. You need to talk to a migration agent. You must select a course which builds on knowledge required by Australian employers. look at the job advertisments and see what they are asking for. Go to the Live in Victoria website and look at The Engineers Workbook for a large range of potential employers. Go to their websites and see what they are looking for.

  149. Kiran said on February 21, 2009 at 10:32 pm

    Dear Isn,
    I have just finished Bachelor of Mechanical Engineering from an Australian University. I am having few difficulties regarding my application for Permanant Residency. I just want to confirm, if i really need to get accessed by engineers australia.I have been hearing few rumours about submitting and not submitting.Please advise me on the right procedure of applying for a permanant residency.And how long would i have to wait to recieve the mail for the assesment.Thanks Ian

  150. ianlittle said on February 21, 2009 at 11:00 pm

    Kiran – Go to the Engineers Australia website and download a .pdf copy of the Migration Skills Assessment booklet. http://www.engineersaustralia.org.au

    An undergraduate degree from an Australian university is a recognised qualification.

    You must deal with a registered migration agent for advice on an application for a visa.

    You may need to consider an intermediate step such as the Professional Year. For details see http://www.tribuslingua.com.au/blog/engineering-australian-professional-year-starts-in-2009

  151. Anthony said on February 23, 2009 at 10:33 am

    I am operations manager in one manufacturing company here in the Philippines. As manager in manufacturing- production, I have submitted relavant documents to Vetasses (assessing body for managers) for skills assessment; however, I have read somewhere, inorder to qualify for a permanent resident visa, profession and work expercience should be in the 60 points category. I am currently reviewing in English hoping to get 7(score) in all modules of IELTS examination. I am presently 43 but turning 44 years old in next two months; therefore, I need to get bunos points to qualify in the SKilled-Independent category if I can get 7 in all bands of EILTS examination. Assuming that I will get positive results both Skills Assessment (Vetasses) and IELTS, am I required to prepare a CDR and assessed by Engineers Australia to qualify for the permanent visa? If yes, production/ plant engineer (60 points) would be the suitable and related to my work expercience; however, it is not included in the critical list but in the list of MODL of Victoria. I am considering Mechanical Engineeer since it is also in the critical list, moreover, I can gain additional 10 and 15 points respectively in “Specific Work Expercience and Occupation in Demand” since I have been working as productionm manager for 11 years in my current employer. Please advise.

  152. ianlittle said on February 23, 2009 at 12:11 pm

    Anthony – To get the full information on the points system download Booklet 6 – General Skilled Migration, from the Department if Immigration from the following link: http://www.immi.gov.au/allforms/booklets/books6.htm

    Before you can migrate to Australia as a skilled migrant you must have your skills assessed by the relevant national assessment authority. The relevant authority is the one nominated for the occupation you are applying to migrate as.

    The Australian Department of Immigration and Citizenship web site has a Australian Skills Recognition Information (ASRI) page. This page tells you the eligibility requirements for each occupation, including the nominated assessing authority.

    Website – http://www.immi.gov.au/asri/

    Also go to the Australian Bureau of Statistics (ABS) website. This site has expanded occupation definitions which includes typical tasks for each occupation.

    http://www.abs.gov.au/ausstats/abs@.nsf/0/5C244FD9D252CFC8CA25697E00184D35?opendocument

    As you know the assessing authority for a production manager is VETASSESS. For a production engineer, it is Engineers Australia. Go to the Engineers Australia website and download a .pdf copy of the Migration Skills Assessment booklet. http://www.engineersaustralia.org.au

    The VETASSESS assessment is irrelevant if you are applying as an engineer, and an Engineers Australia assessment is not required if your nominated occupation is as a production manager. It is one or the other.

    Before you go through the work of applying to Engineers Australia look closely at the competency criteria. Have you done enough engineering in the occupation you nominate to demonstrate professional engineer level competency in that occupation ? If your qualification is assessed to be engineering technician level, that is worth only 40 points. You need to look at the occupation and the engineering level (engineer, technician, associate) requirements.

    I would not be concerned about an occupation not being on the critical skills list as long as your occupation is on the MODL.

    Another option you have is to consider a sponsored visa, through a state, region, relative or company. These need less points

    After you have digested all this information talk with a registered agent.

    Buy and read Project Australia. It would have paid for itself already !

    http://www.tribuslingua.com.au/engineers-migrate-australia.php

  153. Anthony said on February 23, 2009 at 3:29 pm

    • Sorry for the double posting, our internet connection is malfunctioning. My job involve in management production and maitenance section such as: works closely with production engineers to implement new designs and modification of current equipments and processes, I have introduced a maintenance program incorporating the principles of TPM (Total Productive Maintenance ), directs and from time to time does hands on and in the absence of qualified maintenance personnel such as maintenance of production machineries and utility system. My question is, I am qualified as mechanical engineer or production engineer? I planning to prepare CDR because of the following reasons: (1) I can get higher points(60) if my profession is either of the two mentioned above, and (2) I can use Enginnering Australia assessment if I will be required to register as an engineer. Most of my accomplishment as an engineer are related to production, for instance, I have redesigned (mechanical and electrical) and supervised fabrication of several production equipments to improve productivity . I was also sent to Japan twice for a technical training to strengthen my expertise in maintenance and production. Thanks

  154. ianlittle said on February 23, 2009 at 4:05 pm

    Anthony – You can make that choice. You have to make that decision yourself. You have to work out what fits best with the ASCO definition and the Engineers Australia categories. Read and rereda nad think about it for a few days.

  155. jhun said on February 26, 2009 at 2:01 pm

    hello ian,

    i am a Electrical Engineer graduated from Mapua Institue of Technology in the philippines, i would like to know if my school and country are recognized in australlia?

  156. ianlittle said on February 26, 2009 at 3:09 pm

    jhun – Your qualifications will be deemed as non-recognised by Engineers Australia. You will need to do a competency demonstration report (CDR). I cannot comment om your particular course or school.

  157. Daniel said on February 26, 2009 at 5:53 pm

    Hi Ian,
    Thanks for the wonderful help you have been providing us. Well I have a question about writing CDRs. It may seem silly but nevertheless I need to have it clarified. I followed the guide to preparing CDR and understood that there is a word limit to every section. After writing 2 CDRs, I noticed that the number of words in certain sections are in fact more than the advised limit. In some places I have more written than 1500 words where the actual limit is 1000 words. Do you think this will have any negative impact on my CDRs? Have you encountered this scenario before?
    I would really appreciate your comments on this.

    Thanks,
    Daniel

  158. ianlittle said on February 26, 2009 at 9:22 pm

    Daniel – I have no direct experience, but be assured the word limit is there for a reason. Part of the assessment is on your ability to write English. Part of this is to be able to write concisely. To write what is necessary with not too many words.

    You should keep within the recommended number of words for each section of the career episode reports. Check what you have written against against the competencies in the Migration Skills Assessment booklet. Remove any sentences that do not provide evidence of meeting the occupation skill or the engineering level competencies. It is easy to write about the technical aspects of the project, the company and relationships with people. Engineers Australia are only interested in your actions which demonstrate the competencies. Everthing else is irrelevant, and should be removed.

    The good news is – it is easier to remove bits you have written than to be short and try to create more words. Seems like you are doing well.

    Good Luck !

  159. jhun said on February 27, 2009 at 1:24 pm

    hi ian,

    thanks for the response. well, iam in a process of completing now the required documents for the assessment to Engineers australia, and it includes the CDR, If the the result will be possitive, does it mean that i can practice my profession as an engineer? or they will put me in same field of work but lower rank?, and what is the minimum years of experience needed for an engineer to migrate in australia? please clear me up to this..

    thanks and regards,

  160. ianlittle said on February 27, 2009 at 1:55 pm

    jhun – You do not need a licence to practise engineering in Australia. In Queensland and for some specific areas such as in the building industry you may not be able to authorise documents. There is no experience requirement for engineering occupations migration. All this information is on the DIAC site. You will have to step backwards to learn the requirements of Australian Standards and the suppliers and contractorsin Australia.

  161. gct said on March 1, 2009 at 8:17 pm

    Hi Ian,

    I have question on skill assessment. I am a Mechanical engineer (4 years Degree) and have around 2 years experience in mechanical field. Then i moved to IT industry and i have around 4 years of IT experience.
    At this moment with 4 years of IT experience i am not eligible to get my skill assessedthrough ACS. I fall under the category Group B which requires six years experience & RPL.

    My question is : Can i get my skill assessed by Engineers Australia as a mechanical engineer with 2 years experience ?

    While submitting the CDR to Engineers Australia, does IELTS score is required ?

    Skill assessed by Engineers australia and currently working in IT sector. does this cause any kind of problems in future.

    Cheers,
    gct

  162. ianlittle said on March 1, 2009 at 9:04 pm

    gct -There is no work experience requirement with engineering, so you could be assessed for engineering provided you can produce a satisfactory CDR.. You will need an IELTS test with a score of at least 6 in all categories. Your problem is not with skills assessment, but you will have issues with the Department of Immigration and Citizenship about what your real occupation is. You need to talk with a migration agent.

  163. nirosh said on March 3, 2009 at 1:50 am

    i have BSc Engineering Degree in mechanical and have 6 years experience. first 3 years worked as mechanical engineer and then worked as quantity surveyor. am i elligible with regard to experiece as a engineer

  164. ianlittle said on March 3, 2009 at 3:35 am

    Nirosh – There is no work experience requirement with engineering, so you could be assessed for engineering provided you can produce a satisfactory CDR. Your problem is not with skills assessment, but you will have issues with the Department of Immigration and Citizenship about what your real occupation is. You need to talk with a migration agent. You will not get any points for being an engineer in the points test as you need to have had 3 years experience in the last 4 years.

  165. samir said on March 8, 2009 at 12:40 am

    can i migrate to aus without taking my spouse with me , as we are staying apart,

    my paper assesmentclear
    practcal assesment clear
    i elts also clear 6.6 band for general electrician

    pl suggest

  166. ianlittle said on March 8, 2009 at 1:08 pm

    Samir – tribus lingua will not comment on immigration maztters. You will need to see a migration agent.

  167. varun said on March 10, 2009 at 6:47 pm

    Will downturn in australia affect the immigration of engineers in CSL?

  168. ianlittle said on March 10, 2009 at 8:49 pm

    Varun – Who knows what the Government will do? The downturn will undoubtedly cause changes in the CSL from time to time as demand for different occupations changes.

  169. Manthan said on March 11, 2009 at 12:06 pm

    Hi,,,

    I am Manthan,,I have completed my diploma electrical eng. and i have three years experince in my filed.
    Do i eligible for skilled migration and what are the requirement for it??any funds required for it?

  170. ianlittle said on March 11, 2009 at 4:45 pm

    Manthan – Go to the Engineers Australia website and download a .pdf copy of the Migration Skills Assessment booklet. http://www.engineersaustralia.org.au

    The Australian Department of Immigration and Citizenship web site has a Australian Skills Recognition Information (ASRI) page. This page tells you the eligibility requirements for each occupation, including the nominated assessing authority.

    Website – http://www.immi.gov.au/asri/

    yep. It will cost you money

  171. Reshma said on March 17, 2009 at 4:29 pm

    I have did my BTECH in civil and wroking in IT SAP from last 2 years, I got know that I need to have four years of exprience in order to apply for SIM visa what about SIR am I qualified for atleast SIR with 2years of IT experince

  172. VJOY said on March 19, 2009 at 5:46 am

    Hello Ian..
    Iam a Post Graduate in Mechanical Machine Design specialization, & having 8+ yrs of exp in Automotive and Construction equipment Product Design and Developement and Engineering Services. I have also have IELTS score overall 6.5, and planning to start for skills assessment with Engineers Australia (ofcourse I got 135 (min req 120) points in oz’s immigration websit, while going thru the pages), but my question is HOW & Where should I start my process procedure?
    I’d be thankful if provided with STEP b y STEP procedure to go ahead…

    thanks in advance…

  173. alamgir hossain said on March 23, 2009 at 7:15 pm

    i m a civil engineer, completed my graduate in 2007. now i want to apply for migration in aus. for that i need to write a CDR report in structural designing. can u give me a sample.

  174. Liaquath said on March 25, 2009 at 4:39 am

    I have completed my degree in B.E (Mech) and have 5 years revelant experience in IT field. Do I qualify for the skilled migrant visa or I need total 8 yrs experience in IT as my qualification and experience are not related.

  175. ianlittle said on March 25, 2009 at 6:08 pm

    Liaquatha – I doubt if you qualify at all unless your course had at least 20% IT content. Then you would need 6 years experience. I do not understand where you found 8 years. Go to the Australia Computer Society site to see the assessment criteria in the ACS Guidelines: http://www.acs.org.au/
    For IT you also need to have one of the skills in demand. ACS can only determine MODL occupations from professional ICT experience. You will need to check the MODL list on the Depeartment of Immigration and Citizenship website: http://www.immi.gov.au/asri/

  176. ianlittle said on March 25, 2009 at 6:12 pm

    Alamgir – Sorry I do not have a CDR example. Go to the CDR preparation page and you can see an example of a career episode report for Emgineers Australia stage 2 assessment. The style of writing needed fro a CDR is similar.

  177. ianlittle said on March 25, 2009 at 8:40 pm

    Reshma – I doubt if you qualify at all unless your course had at least 20% IT content in your BTech. Then you would need 6 years experience. Go to the Australia Computer Society site to see the assessment criteria in the ACS Guidelines: http://www.acs.org.au/

  178. ianlittle said on March 25, 2009 at 8:47 pm

    VJOY – Start by getting yourself the Project Australia Pack. That tells you how to plan, and provides all the links to all the guidance you need.

    You need to read Booklet 6: General Skilled Migration, which is available online from the booklets section of the Department of Immigration and Citizenship website.
    http://www.immi.gov.au/allforms/booklets/booklets.htm
    The Australian Department of Immigration and Citizenship web site has the Australian Skills Recognition Information (ASRI) page. This page tells you the eligibility requirements for each occupation category.
    Go to the ASRI website – http://www.immi.gov.au/asri/

    The Australian Bureau of Statistics (ABS) website provides more detailed descriptions of typical tasks for your chosen occupation.

    http://www.abs.gov.au/ausstats/abs@.nsf/0/5C244FD9D252CFC8CA25697E00184D35?opendocument

    The Migration Skills Assessment Handbook provides specific details on assessment requirements, competency demonstration reports (CDRs), and the format and length of the career episode reports (CERs). Read this from cover to cover before you start writing. Download the handbook from the Engineers Australia website : http://www.engineersaustralia.org.au/

    Go to the Qualifications Assessment page on the tribus lingua blog for information on CDR writing.
    http://www.tribuslingua.com.au/blog/category/qualifications-assessment

    That is the best free information I can give.

  179. srini said on March 28, 2009 at 10:45 pm

    Dear Ian,

    What is the minimum required amount of relevant work experience (in years) to qualify under the General Skilled Independent Visa (175).

    Thanks

  180. Dilip said on March 29, 2009 at 2:36 am

    Hello, Ian
    I’m civil engineer.
    My skill was already assessed by engineers australia and i’ve ielts score of 6.5(each band at least 6).am i meeting requirement for ielts for skill migration?

  181. ianlittle said on March 29, 2009 at 9:48 am

    Srini – The work experience depends on the occupation you are applying for and your qualifications. For engineering there is no work experience required, for ICT professionals it may be 4 or 6 years. The requirements are on the Australiab skills requiremant web site. http://www.immi.gov.au/asri/

  182. ianlittle said on March 29, 2009 at 10:00 am

    Dilip – You are well on the way. These do not guarantee you will obtaain a visa. You need to have an occupation in demand and passs the health and gneral character requirements. Read General Skilled Migration Booklet (6) – Form 1119 from the Department of Immigration and Citizenship (DIAC) website http://www.immi.gov.au

  183. Jigisha patel said on March 29, 2009 at 5:27 pm

    hello, here i have completed my diploma and degree in mechanical from india.but i got PR visa for australia on diploma basa and now i am in australia. i am working as a mechanical fitter. but i want to access my bechalor degree in australia .can i do that …..it’s any effect on my visa status .and give me suggestion where i can do that….pls give me urgent reply.

  184. ianlittle said on March 29, 2009 at 9:55 pm

    Jigisha – If you are an Australian resident with unaccredited Australian engineering qualifications, or if you have unaccredited overseas qualifications, you will need to undertake a Stage 1 competency assessment from Engineers Australia. Guidelines and application forms are available from:
    http://www.engineersaustralia.org.au/index.cfm?3D0D4566-DEB0-1AC4-F916-8AA936CB7041
    You will need to talk to a registered migration agent about your visa status.

  185. bulma said on April 4, 2009 at 3:36 am

    Hi ianlittle :)

    Im a bit confused about these 3 papers to lodge, can you help me to make it clear plz:

    1) can we merge the employment references for Specific work experience & the documentary evidence for Occupation in demand/job offer in one reference ? I have read the requirements & think they are pretty similar but dont know it they can accept that?

    2) In the employment reference It requires “have the name and position of the person authorised to sign the offer of employment typed or stamped below that person’s signature” — does that mean this person must be at least the HR manager? And this is different from the reference letter in the assessment phase right — in which even a colleague can sign ?

    Thanks for reading my queries :)

  186. ianlittle said on April 4, 2009 at 3:41 pm

    Bulma – (1) They are the same document. The only difference is the work experience reference must be signed by the referee in the appropriate parts.
    (2) It could be the HR manager, an engineering or project manager. That ios why the position title must be included. It is the person, or person now in the position, who signed you offer of employment.

  187. Khalid Ali said on April 9, 2009 at 4:30 am

    Hi ianlittle
    My name is Khalid Ali and i am from Pakistan.I did my 3 year diploma of associate engineer in electrical in 2003 and after diploma i am working in an electricity company from sep 2003.In 2008 i completed my B-Tech pass in Electrical technology which is 2 year programme 1 year of industrial training which is my experience and 1year of study.Could i apply as a electrical tecnologist because with my working experience i am completing my graduation.Will Engineer austrailia recoginize my qualification as a technologist.i have also done academic ielts in L=7,R=5.5,W=5.5,S=6.5 and my overall is 6.0.pl z reply me if i can apply for CDR or assessment.

  188. ianlittle said on April 9, 2009 at 6:08 pm

    Khalid – Your English is not good enough. Poor English is the single greatest reason migrants struggle to find a job. Don’t waste your time doing anything until your English is up to 7 in all categories.

  189. Partha said on April 17, 2009 at 7:09 am

    Hi Ianlittle,
    Can you please help me with the clarifications for the following.
    1) India is has a provisional status in Washington Accord and the official website says “Organisations holding provisional status have been identified as having qualification accreditation or recognition procedures that are potentially suitable for the purposes of the Accord”. Does this mean my BTech degree(chemical) awarded from one of those institutions qualify for Accredited qualifications pathway?
    2) I have a professional work experience of over 3 years in IT which is not specific to my qualifications. I understand that my assessment would base on my undergraduation degree. In that case, if I manage a positive outcome and get a VISA, can I take up IT career in Australia or stick to the occupancy classified thru my assessment?
    Thanks in advance!

  190. Anuj Tyagi said on May 4, 2009 at 6:59 pm

    The Following Degree & Diploma Examinations in Mechanical Engineering conducted by the India’s one of the oldest & largest technical professional Insitution in the field of Mechanical Engineering & allied Engg. disciplines : THE INSTITUTION OF MECHANICAL ENGINEERS(INDIA),NAVI MUMBAI :

    1)Technician Engineers Examination [T.Eng.] , Part-I & Part-II
    2)Chartered Engineers Examination [A.M.I.Mech.E(I)] ,Section-A & Section-B

    These examinations are recognized by the Ministry of HRD,Govt. of India thru All India Council of Technical Education(AICTE).

    Many of the I.Mech.E(I) students have completed M.S.(Mechanical) from The State Universiyt of California ,Scramento-USA following the approval from the World Education Services ,USA as equivalent to Degree in Mechanical Engg. from a State University of USA.

    Kindly confirm whether the Same is Approved in AUSTRALIA also.

    As the Institution conducts these examinations on International level in Libya , Lusaka,Guyana,Kuwait,Carracus , Oman,London , Kenya,UAE,Saudi Arabia etc.. time to time

  191. ianlittle said on May 4, 2009 at 7:55 pm

    Anuj – No, they are not. Australia only recognises professional engineering courses accredited under the Washington Accord. The courses must be completed in the country recognised under the Washington Accord.

  192. Rajeev said on May 10, 2009 at 2:59 am

    Hi Ianlittle,

    I Completed my Metallurgical Engineering Degree in 1999, Regional Engineering College Tiruchirapalli India.I would like to know whether I am eligible to gain employement without engineering qualification assesment.Kindly note that I am in Australia on Spouse visa and I do nt have Real time experience.Thank you

  193. ianlittle said on May 10, 2009 at 2:07 pm

    Rajeev – You need to read the conditions of your visa. If you want further advice you must obtain it from a licenced migration agent or the dDpartment of Immigration and Citizenship. With a ten year old qualification and no experience do not get your hopes up of getting a job in the current economic climate if your visa permits you to work..

  194. Srini said on May 10, 2009 at 2:14 pm

    Dear Ian,

    I am a Civil Engineer and I have lodged my application for skills assessment to the EA last week for the GSM Visa. My wife is an Master of Science (MSc) post graduate in Zoology and is working as a lectuter in a college. What are the prospects for her in Australia.

    Please clarify, Thankyou

  195. ianlittle said on May 11, 2009 at 10:27 am

    Srini – No idea. Lecturers are not on the critical skills list (CSL)

  196. ajay said on May 21, 2009 at 3:42 am

    I am having 4 yrs engineering from INDIA.
    From where i should apply for skil assessmenst,washington or sydney accord??
    pls help me.
    thanking you…

  197. ianlittle said on May 21, 2009 at 3:50 am

    Ajay – Go to our FAQs page, then to the Washington Accord website. You must do some work yourself. You will need to do a CDR.

  198. Khaled said on May 23, 2009 at 1:38 am

    Dear,
    first i would like to thank you in advance.i have read on the website of australian immigration that Engineers who hold any degree from recognized overseas universities could apply for” skilled recognized graduate visa(subclass 476) ” . i think i meet the requirments for this visa as i have a masters degree in power electronics and drives from nottingham university(England). this visa allow me to work or syudy with no restrications. please tell me what is meant by “recognized” under this visa( is it recognized by EA).morover, there is a professional year engineer presented by EA and EEA , am i eligible to take this year as well as what benefits can i get(i.e become recognized by EA) .

    warm regards,

  199. ianlittle said on May 23, 2009 at 3:14 pm

    Khaled – Recognised means an undergraduate qualification accepted by Engineers Australia as equivalent to a 4 year Australian engineering degree. (This is called stage 1 competency) Read the FAQ for engineers page on this site and follow the links to obtain the skills assessment information. You will need to apply to Engineers Australia for qualifications recognition. The Engineers Education Australia site provides the details of the overseas institutions whos qualifications they recognise. http://www.immi.gov.au/skilled/general-skilled-migration/476/recognised-institutions.htm Ask EEA if they will accept you into the professional year with a masters degree.
    The Professional Year gives you Australian work experience and an opportunity to learn about Australian culture and the Australian workplace. This should improve your chance of getting an engineering job in Australia. There is no guarantee you will end up with a job or obtain permanent residency.

  200. Khaled said on May 23, 2009 at 8:21 pm

    Thank you for fast response. i am still a little bit confused

    as i understand, the overseas uni are recognized by EEA.

    i want to ensure about something my master degree from overseas

    recognized need assessment by EA to get the recognized for PR

    BESt Regards ,

  201. ianlittle said on May 24, 2009 at 4:02 pm

    Khaled – Qualification assessment for professional engineers is the responsibility of Engineer Australia. It is not just about the country or university you went to. Engineers Australkia will want to know the course and year as well as the university. You will need to apply for qualifications assessment by Engineers Australia. For qualifications assessment your undergraduate degree will be assessed too. In my opinion you will probably need to do a CDR if your undergraduate qualification was obtained in India. Read the Migration Skills Assessment Handbook and the EAA guidelines for the professional year. Get a ruling from EEA.

    The important message to you and all readers is this – Australia has a very high standard for acceptance of overseas qualifications for all occupations.

  202. Hasan said on May 25, 2009 at 3:09 am

    Dear Ian,

    I am an electrical engineer by education & by profession I am an Instrumentation & controls design engineer. I intend to apply for Australian skilled immigration & have just searched the SOL list but could not find any Occupation by the name of Instrumentation or Control engineer. However, electrical engineering is there both in SOL & MODL list.

    Could you please advise whether it would be suitable to apply for CDR to Engineers Australia as an Electrical engineer. By the way there is no such degree for Instrumentation & Controls. People in this profession are either Electrical engineers or Electronics engineer by education.

    Best regards,
    Hasan.

  203. ianlittle said on May 25, 2009 at 9:08 am

    Hasan – Correct – Depending on the specific type of work you have been doing, and the subjects you did in your undergraduate course, you could fit either the occupation of electronics or electrical engineer. Go to the Australian Bureau of Statistics (ABS) website for detailed descriptions of typical tasks for these occupations .

    http://www.abs.gov.au/ausstats/abs@.nsf/0/5C244FD9D252CFC8CA25697E00184D35?opendocument

    Some UK universities have instrumentation degrees. In Australia, mechatronics is the closest course for instrumentation nowdays. Most older instrumentation engineers come from the electrical discipline.

    So see which parts fit together for the best coherent application with qualifications matching work experience and occupation.

  204. saqib said on May 27, 2009 at 4:03 pm

    ian,
    I am a chemical engineer from pakistan.currently doing msc chemical engg from pakistan.i need to ask you one question. currently i am doing job for a multinational oil & water chemicals supplier company.my deisgnation is field service engineer.under this post,i got to work on making technical recommendations for asset integrity, flow assurance or any other production issues and field surveys for application and monitoring of chemicals.is this occupation relevant to my chemical engg background? as i am intersted to get my qualifications assesed by australian engineers society.
    your detailed reply would be highly appreciated.

    saqib

  205. ianlittle said on May 27, 2009 at 4:10 pm

    Saqib – Read the competency definitions for a professional engineer in the Engineers Australia Migration Skills Assessment Handbook. You seem to be covering some of the professional engineering competencies.

  206. walid said on June 11, 2009 at 1:51 am

    Dear,

    I am an electronics Engineer from Jordan(not recognized in Australia) but this september i am going to study a masters degree in either electrical power at University of newcastle in England or power electronics and drives at university of nottingham in England as well. i would like to explain my case in details, i know that the master does not give me unconditional recognition in any case .However, the master from university of nottingham enable me to apply for skilled recognized graduate visa subclass 476 {where nottingham uni is recognized overses uni by DIAC} which enable me to work without restrictions , but the “funny thing” that when i intend to apply for the PR in later stage i need to assess my qualification by EA ( (why is that if my qualiffication enables me to work in Australia). On the other hand, the course at newcastle uni is recognozed in Uk as partially Charetered Engineer(you know Chartered engineer equals professional engineer in Australia} but i cant get the unconditional recognition from EA because it is partially recognized. Furthermore, the course at newcastle does not enable me to get 476 visa where it is not recognized uni by DIAC. As a result , pleaes advice me about my case because i can not choose the best for me taking in your consideration that i will take the recognition by EA only via CDR pathway and my major goal is to get the PR. your advise is higly appreciated, please please please help me it is my future.
    lastly, at least which course (at nottingham or newcastle) helps me to get the easiest path for the recognition of EA. Moreover,does EA focus only on bachelor degree or both bachelor and master.

    Best Regards,

  207. ianlittle said on June 11, 2009 at 5:10 am

    Walid – EA assess your undergraduate qualification. It makes no difference which post graduate course you take. I cannot comment on visa matters. The professional year is only a temporary arrangement to enable graduates from overseas countries countries to become employable as professional engineers in Australia.

  208. ata said on June 15, 2009 at 7:21 pm

    i’m a bachelor of science in mechanical engineering in a college in the philippines 4 years ago can i review here to get credentials to be a qualified engineer here in australia because i live here now and don’t work in my field of studies

  209. ianlittle said on June 16, 2009 at 1:14 pm

    Ata – you need to work on your English. If you have no mechanical engineering work experience, I do not like your chances of getting accreditation as a professional engineer. You may be able to get accreditation as an engineering technologist. You have to try very hard to get into your field. maybe you could learn CAD to get started.

  210. Simon Tan said on June 18, 2009 at 10:21 am

    Hi Ian, a question would be under the required elements for stage 1 competency report (PE1.1, 1.2,1.3) there are many indicators, does the report need to address all the indicators? Or as long as at least one indicator is addressed will be ok? Thanks.

  211. ianlittle said on June 18, 2009 at 10:48 am

    Simon – You look a bit prehistoric. You can only write about the competencies you have. As in any exam you cannot expect to get 100%, but you do the best you can. For a competency you may have high competence in some and low competence in others. Certainly try to address all you can. Basically you need to make up in the other competencies for any you struggle to meet. In the end the assessors will take a broad view. Some competencies have more worth than others, you need to use judgement on what is iimportant. That judgement is part of what is being assessed.

  212. AS said on June 20, 2009 at 5:02 am

    Hi ian, I want to apply for PR as an electronics engineer but my query is that after spending 12 years in school i did 3 years diploma in electronics & telecommunication (1990-1993) & after that i was admitted directly to second year of 4 years electronics engineering course (1993-1996) due to the diploma. I got assumption in all the first year subjects except Maths-1 & Maths-2. Give your suggestions if this will be considered as a 4 year degree course?

  213. ianlittle said on June 20, 2009 at 10:52 am

    AS – Courses are assessed by the university, course and year. I cannot give a definitive answer. If you highest qualification is a 4 year engineering degree you should be OK.The real test is how well you demonstrate your competencies in your CDR.

  214. wilfred said on June 30, 2009 at 1:10 pm

    Hi,

    I’m from Philippines, Civil Engineering graduate and having a Senior Certified Welding Inspector (American Welding Society) qualification from US
    and working in Thiess Australia as a QA/QC Engineer. I was wondering if my qualification is recognized by Australian Engineers.

    Thank you and looking forward for you’re soonest reply. Pls. reply on my email.

    Regards,

    Wilfred

  215. ianlittle said on June 30, 2009 at 1:28 pm

    Wilfred – The ASCO codes do not recognise QA/QC enginers as an occcupation. Your need to go to the Australian Bureau of Statistics (ABS) or Australian Skills Recognition (ASRI)website and look st the occupation descriptions for one that is nearest to what you do. Bet the links from our FAQ page.

  216. Andree said on July 10, 2009 at 7:38 am

    Hi ,
    Thanks for this website; it gives me a lot of information. However I have some questions. I am Mechanical Engineering from University of Indonesia, graduated in 2006. I will finish my master degree in Mechanical Engineering this semester in Sydney (fulfill 2 years study requirement) so I would like to apply PR. I need your assistance to answer the following questions
    1.I think my bachelor degree is not from recognized university so the only way to be assessed is to make CDR or is there any other option?
    2.If I need to make CDR, can I use post grad projects or it must be from undergrad level?
    3.For my case, my occupational categories is Engineering associate. Is that correct?
    4.There are many units and elements of competency. Do I need to relate my CDR to all of those units and elements?
    Thank you for your help
    Regards,
    Andree

  217. ianlittle said on July 10, 2009 at 5:49 pm

    Andree – You will need to do a CDR because Indonesia is not a signatory to the Washington Accord. Your assessment will be based on your undergraduate qualfiications. You can use the competencies demonstrated during post graduate studies. You should be able to demonstate professional engineer competency. You must be able to demonstrate something in all units. It will be harder to demonstrate all elements, but you need to demonstrate additional competency in other areas to make up for the areas you are short on.
    Do not directly address the elements. You need to write a story that shows what you have done in engineering.

  218. Rubaiyat said on July 17, 2009 at 5:07 am

    Hello Ianlittle,
    I have a BSc. in Electrical and Electronics Engineering degree from back home. I graduated in 2005. Then I worked for 1.5 yrs in a telecommunication firm. I came to Australia to do my Masters in Telecommunication from Monash Uni 1 yr (July 2007 – June 2008). After that I decided not to go back and apply for PR here. So thinking i need 2 years of study to apply, I did another 1 yr Master in ICT course from UWA (July 2008 – June 2009).

    My question is should I use ACS for skills assesment as Computing Professional (nec) [2231-79] or Engineers Australia as Electronics Engineer [2125-13]. I think EA does not recognise Australia Masters degree (i wonder why).
    Thank you.

  219. ianlittle said on July 17, 2009 at 5:58 pm

    Rubaiyat – Go to our FAQ page and read the assessment guidelines for both occupations. You could have saved yourself a lot of money if you had done that 2 years ago. Discuss your situation with a migration agent before you throw more money away trying to buy PR. Get yourself a copy of Project Australia to help you make better decisions.

  220. Ganesh said on August 15, 2009 at 7:32 pm

    Hello Ian,
    I am Ganesh from India working as a Welding Inspector in Saudi Arabia. I have recently appointed Global Visas as my agent to get a Regional Sponsored Visa to Australia. I have 6 years experience in Quality Control job. What would be my Occupation in Australia? Is it Engineer or Engineering Technician? Kindly suggest. What are the ways to get a job in Australia before i get my visa?

  221. ianlittle said on August 16, 2009 at 11:11 am

    Ganesh – You are unlikely to be able to be assessed as a professional engineer, but should be able to demonstrate the competencies as an engineering technologist.
    There are many things yiu can do, like network with Australians working in Saudi Arabia to get contacts in Australian companies, to learn how Australians talk and what is going on in Australian companies. There are so many things to do they do not fit in a blog. Buy Project Australia and see the lot. It will be the greatest investment you can make. Project Asutalia will help you find a job and how to win an engineering job in Australia. $40 fis small change for a man working in the Middle East.

  222. kartik said on October 2, 2009 at 5:00 am

    hi Ian,
    hope ur doing great.
    I have small query regarding my profession.I am working as a control engineer in one of the multinationals.Can I go for my skill assessment under Electronics Engineer category.

  223. kartik said on October 2, 2009 at 5:05 am

    hi Ian,
    I have heard that the Australian govt is going to take out the MODL and CSL soon.Is it true and how long does the visa processing normally take now taking into effect the recent global recession.Pls reply
    cheers
    Kartik

  224. ianlittle said on October 2, 2009 at 8:16 pm

    Kartik – Electronics engineer is the most likely occupation you fit under. if you have done all hydraulics and pneumatics you may fit under mechanical. Check the ASCO definitions.

  225. ianlittle said on October 2, 2009 at 8:22 pm

    Kartik – Heaven knows what the government will do. There are certainly changes being considered. Go to our blog on visa processing for the latest information. It can be over 2 years if you are not sponsored and your occupation is not on the CSL.

  226. Charles said on October 6, 2009 at 11:05 pm

    I am currently on a 457 as an industrial engineer (my original degree). However I am working as business analyst rather than as an engieer.

    Do you think it would be possible:

    - to apply for PR with a different nominated occupation than the 457´s one(as a business professional instead of an industrial engineer)
    - to have my qualificaction assessed by VETASSESS as a business professional with my engineering degree (I understand VETASSESS only check you have a bachelor degree or similar)

    This would make thinks much easier as I wouldnt have to work on the CDRs.

    Cheers,
    Federico

  227. ianlittle said on October 7, 2009 at 12:46 am

    Federico – Have you lost your mind? Is this occupation on the CSL or MODL. If VETASSESS check with Engineers Australia, Engineers Australia will say your qualification is not equivalent to a 4 year degeree until it is assessed by them. Talk to a migration agent before you try to take the easy way out to get in. Writing a CDR is not all that hard if you have good English. Particularly when you are in Australia and can get help in understanding the competencies.

  228. ali said on October 9, 2009 at 10:33 pm

    Hi ian!
    I am bachelor in electronics in Iran (2001-2005) but I have been living here since 2007 by “work and holiday visa” and my work experience in my field is gone because of the gap of spending my time out of work.
    Now I really want to know that is there still any way for me to apply for skill migration as an off shore applicant?
    Also if not I am going to study for electronics for 2 years but I don’t know what can I study that can help me to support the assessment of engineer Australia to obtain 60 degree as an on shore student?
    I would be appreciating if you help me in my case.

  229. ianlittle said on October 10, 2009 at 5:36 am

    Ali – I doubt if any study will help. An electronics engineer occupation is already worth 60 points. It is possible to obtain accreditation without work experience. getting a visa is your problem. The problem is lack of recent relevant work experience in that occupation.. You need to talk to a migration agent.

  230. Abhishek said on October 13, 2009 at 12:04 am

    Hi Ian
    I have done B.Eng (Chemical) from Punjab University, Chandigarh, India. I am working as a Chemical Engineer in Canada. I also have temperory residence status of Australia. I am looking forward to be a member of Engineer Australia or to get my degree evaluated from them. Department of Chemical Engineer, Punjab University is under provisional status under Washington Accord. It is also recognized by Institute of Chemical Engineering (http://cms.icheme.org). I have applied for membership for IchemE and I am waiting for the result. What are the steps involved to get my degree evaluated by Engineer Australia?
    I just bought Project Australia book written by you.

    Your knowledge and views are helping us.
    Thanks in advance.

    Regrads
    Abhishek

  231. Abhishek said on October 13, 2009 at 1:35 am

    Hi Ian

    Is there any equivalency agreement between Associate member of IchemE and Engineer Australia? Is there any easy way for IchemE associate member to get Engineer Australia membership?

    Regards
    Abhishek

  232. ianlittle said on October 13, 2009 at 3:36 am

    Abhishek – The provissional status is of no value. You need qualifications assessment, not membership. Accreditation can only be done by Engineers Australia for angineers. Follow the links from our FAQ page. The Migration Skills Assessment Booklet tells you all you need to know.

  233. ianlittle said on October 13, 2009 at 9:15 am

    Abhishek – Don’t bother. From a professional point of view, you will get the contacts and interests from IChemE.

  234. hary said on October 27, 2009 at 3:03 pm

    Hi Ian, Appreciate your effort, I am in sydney on permanent residency visa i want to go for qualification assessment for BE-Mech which I have done from India. Since i have got PR in 2006 do i need to go for IELTS again or not and please guide me process for assessment, regards.

  235. ianlittle said on October 27, 2009 at 3:38 pm

    Hary – Qualifications assessment is different when your are already an Australian resident. Go to The Engineers Australia site and folow the path for Australian residents. If you have been working in Australia this may give you a waiver from doing an IELTS test. Do not be afraid af talking with the Engineers Australia office in your state.

  236. miro said on November 8, 2009 at 9:32 am

    Hello,

    Why is it possible to get accepted for engineers of australia and not accepted for the skill migration visa?

  237. ianlittle said on November 8, 2009 at 4:16 pm

    Miro – Engineers Australia only assess engineering qualifications. Skilled migration is controlled by the Australian Government. This process requires consideration of a far wider range of factors than just your qualifications. This includes whether Australia needs your skills, health and police checks. For example, may seem disappointing if your occupation is not on the Critical Skills List (CSL) but it means you would have difficulty getting a job if you came to Australia.

  238. Moses Selembu said on November 9, 2009 at 5:14 pm

    Hi Ian,

    Good work your doing here..please keep it up. Recently i secured the permanent residency visa and thanks for your guidance. Now planning the big move..I have one burning question, does being a chartered engineer inspire confidence to potential employers even if you dont have to be registered? I am Telecoms Engineer (RF Planning and Optimisation). Please shed some light on this matter..
    Have a lovely week Ian.

  239. ianlittle said on November 10, 2009 at 12:10 pm

    Moses – Being chartered (CPEng) will certainly help. This shows potential employers that you not only have the basic engineering qualification, you also have recognised practical engineering experience. It helps differentiate you from the crowd. It also will make it easy for you if you are looking to move to Queensland, as it is only a small step from a CPEng to registration in Queensland (RPEQ).

  240. Moses Selembu said on November 11, 2009 at 5:31 pm

    Thanks alot Ian…I will be moving to Melbourne though.

    Have a lovely week..

    Moses – I live in Melbourne and work on projects in Queensland. That is why I am an RPEQ. Go to the LiveinVictoria web site and get a copy of the Engineers Workbook – it’s free. IKL

  241. Yessica said on November 17, 2009 at 1:29 pm

    Hi Dear,

    Thank for you help.
    I am 33 year old, , chilean.I am electronic engineer (6 years), and master degree in industrial engineer. I have 6 years of experience as project manager and sales manager.

    1)I dont know wich to apply: Professional Engineer,Engineering Technologist,
    Engineering Associate orEngineering Manager. Wich is easier?

    2)What about my master degree ?

    Tks a lot.

    Regards,

    Yessica

    Yessica – You need to work out the best path for you based on your qualifications, work experience and the visa points system. I would expect this would be as an elctronics engineer. Your qualifications are assessed on your undergraduate degree. You need an occupation in the Critical Skills List to have a chance of migrating in a rreasonable time unless you can be sponsored. Follow the links on our FAQ page to get all the detailed information you need to make an informed decision.

  242. Alex said on November 24, 2009 at 8:47 pm

    Hi Ian, I Appreciate your effort
    I’m from Germany but I live at Australia now(working Holiday visa 417) I had completed B.E of Electrical Engineering from Egypt at 2008, Can I work as Electrical Engineer in Australia ? or should I complete my assessment first ?

    I’m planing to complete my study at Australia and get master degree, what do I need to do ?

    thank you

    Alex – I recommend that you work as an electrical engineer to get an understanding about the best area to undertake higher studies. If you do higher studies in the wrong area it may be a waste of time and money. A higher qualification will not be respected if it is not in a practical area.

  243. Kapila said on November 25, 2009 at 8:15 pm

    Hi?
    I have completed NTD (national diploma in tecnolgy) full time 3 years course conducted by faculty of engineering) in textile and clothing technoly. So I am working as industrial engineer (arond 9-10 years experiance) I woild like to know is there a posibility to apply my PR as industrial engineer. if not what will be the catogary that I can apply. I am 38 years old and have 2 kids too with wife. And also like to know what will be the IELTS score that I have to get pls tell me the how much wife neet to score IELTS too.

    Kapila – As your course was only 3 years, you will not be eligible as a professional engineer. You could apply as an sngineering technologist. You will need an IELTS of 6 or more in all categories. See our FAQ page for the links to find the requirements for spouses in the visa requirements.

  244. ej said on November 27, 2009 at 11:32 pm

    Good Day!

    Dear Ian,
    I am graduate of B.S. major in Electronics and Communications Engineering(5years course) and obtained my Professional License as Electronics Engineer in the Philippines. I have worked as Process Engineer for 4years in the Philippines and currently working overseas (Taiwan) in Electronics Manufacturing Company.
    My problem is when I requested for a Certificate of Employment in my present company, It was noted in Certificate of Employment that I am holding a job position of Assistant Engineer.
    Can I still classify my application as Professional Engineer though I am holding a position of Assistant Engineer(job position)but in fact, I am working as their Process Engineer(job title)?

    Thank you very much!
    More power!

    ej – It is not what you are called that matters, it is what you do. It is not uncommon for graduate engineers to have titles such as you have. You need to put your responsibilities, duties and achievements in your CV so Engineers Australia can assess your engineering activities. The CV needs to be validated by your employer. IKL

  245. Jijo James said on December 2, 2009 at 11:19 pm

    Hi Ian,

    I have a bachelor’s degree in Electronics and Communication from India. I have a work experience in software industry. Since the work i am doing is entirely different from what i have learned will this be a hindrance for me to apply.

    1. For which occupation shall i apply . Should it be a) Engineer – Electronics or b) Computer professional.

    I have one more question.

    The university which i got the bachelor’s degree is accredited to AICTE the union in India. I could see from the washingtom accord site that India is not in the list of signatories and is under “Organisations holding provisional status”. Will this mean that i should get a an assessment by Engineers australia?

    Thanks and Regards
    Jijo James

  246. ianlittle said on December 2, 2009 at 11:51 pm

    Jijo – It is always a problem when you work in an occupation which is not the same as you qualifications. However you are working in an area where there is overlapping between engineering and computing. Everything depemds on the specific subjects you have done and the competencies you can demonstarte through your work experience.. Go to our FAQ page and read all the information on the links from there. The answer to what occupartion you choose is – the occupation which you are best able top demonstrate qualifications and competencies and obtain the most points towards a visa. If your software experience is related to electronics design, such as embedded software , electronics engineer would be OK.
    As India is not yet a member of Washington Accord you will need to do a Career Episode Report for qualifications assessment.

  247. Zo said on December 8, 2009 at 7:43 pm

    Dear Ian,

    I have done my BSc(H) Electronic Communication Systems (3 years) from the University of Wales in Cardiff, Uk. The Bachelor degrees in the Uk are of a duration of 3 years. I applied for my skills assessment to EA for a professional electronics engineer (2125) but eventually got the code (2128) for an Engineering Technologist. I thought UK being a member of Washington Accord i would automatically get the assessment for a professional engineer but having a 3 year degree the EA put me in the Sydney Accord.
    My immigration consultant has advised me to go through the CDR route to demonstrate my professional competence as a professional electronics engineer which i have been for the past 2 years. Please, can you guide me if i should go down the CDR route and do you think by submitting the CDR, would the EA categorize me as a professional Engineer? Or do the EA consider only the ones with a 4 years bachelors degree?
    Currently iam completing my one year Masters Degree in electronics. Would the Masters degree be helpful in the skills assessment or do the EA base the skills assessment solely on the Bachelors degree?

  248. ianlittle said on December 8, 2009 at 8:00 pm

    Zo- A basic requirement for assessment as a professional engineer is a 4 year degree. I think it would be a waste of time to try and do a CDR from a 3 year degree. Engineers Australia assess from your graduate degree. The reason for this is that higher degrees can be very specialised and may not include the breadth of competencies in all areas. The real test is if the course is recognised under the Washington Accord. Go to the Washington Accord web site and see if your course is listed. Failing that send Engineers Australia an email with you course details and seek their advice.

  249. mohammed said on December 10, 2009 at 11:44 am

    hi,
    thank you for your great information.
    I want ask if there is a minimum number of pages on WRITING CDR.HOW LONG IT WILL TAKE .AND i AM ASKING IF WE ALL CAN HELP EACH OTHER BY SHARING OUR STRATEGY OF DOING THIS WORK.OF COURSE NO ONE CAN COPY BUT IT WOULD BY HELPFULL TO HAVE THE OVERALL STRUCTURE OF THIS REPORT.

  250. ianlittle said on December 10, 2009 at 12:00 pm

    Mohammed – Stick to the Engineers Australia guidelines for word lengths.. If you are way below there suggested word count you will probably not have demonstrated the competencies adequeuntly.
    If you know others it is a great idea to discuss and review each others CERs

  251. Jijo James said on December 10, 2009 at 10:26 pm

    Hi Ian,

    Thanks for you reply. I am still having a doubt. My work experience is not in embedded. it is pure software development / maintenance. So should i apply as a SE?

    Thanks
    JJ

  252. ianlittle said on December 11, 2009 at 3:23 pm

    Jijo – It certainly looks like you fit more in the IT side. Look at the Australian Computer Society (ACS) assessment requirements.

  253. Akanksha said on January 10, 2010 at 7:34 am

    Hello Ian, after reading your articles, must have to say,u r doing a very good job. Also I would like to get ur advice for my situation 

    Ian, I’m here on Spouse Visa and working with a very well reputed electrical company as Sales Support. I’m very positive for upcoming opportunities with them but as I like to work on new types of paper presentation and projects, to use my Biomedical and Instrumentation degree to it’s best. That’s why I m looking further to update my resume either by adding Postgrad. Degree or by joining any org which can assist me to boost my career.Both of this option is not looking possible without degree assessment. Also, looking to join Engineering Australia as one of the most active and quality adding group. So what I should be doing next or can you suggest me right path please?

    I look further for your expertise. Thanks in advance.

    Br
    Akanklsha

  254. ianlittle said on January 10, 2010 at 2:36 pm

    Akanksha – In Australia the Overseas Qualification Unit (OQU) in your state will assess your qualifications, and it is free. This assessment is not recognised by Engineers Australia for membership but is generally recognised by employers. Universities will assess your qualification when you apply for a course.
    You are able to join Engineers Australia Contact or visit the office of Engineers Australia in your state.

  255. Farid said on January 11, 2010 at 4:21 pm

    Hi
    I am a civil engineer with about 6 years related exprience in this mager. also
    I have got ielts certificate ( average : 7 ) and I am qualified to applay for permanent visa for australia but my worry is that because my average of my certificate in civil engeeniring is not good ( 12.50) , I am afriad that my certificate will not be assessed as a professional and it will not lay in the critical list. Is the assessment of my degree related to its average ?
    please give me suggestion.

    Thanks and best regards.

  256. ianlittle said on January 11, 2010 at 10:52 pm

    Farid – This could have an influence. This makes it most important for you to write good career episode reports (CERs) as part of your competency demonstration report (CDR). Work hard on your English to get every IELS component 7 or above – an average of 7 is not enough. Engineers Australia assess your competencies more than your course results. Demonstrate what you have done and how you have done it.

  257. Pratap said on January 13, 2010 at 2:08 pm

    Ian,
    I have done Diploma in Electrical Engineering(3 Years) in 1995 from India. I have 4 years experience working as Electrical Engineer.
    Currently I am working as Electrical Technical Officer in Australia and I am a Autralian P. Resident.
    Wondering If I want my diploma to be recognised here in Aus, would it be equivalent to Australian Diploma?
    And where can I get my qualifications assessed?

  258. ianlittle said on January 13, 2010 at 7:09 pm

    Pratap – Go to the Engineers Australia website and follow the links for qualifications assessment. This is not the same path as migrations skills assessment. You could get your qualification assessed by a State Government Overseas Qualificatiob Unit (OQU). This is a free service for migrants within Australia. The OQU assessment will be recognised by employers but not accredited by Engineers Australiaa.

  259. Sathish said on January 24, 2010 at 12:03 am

    Ian,

    Thanks for your Support in advance……I am an Engineer with 4 years of Engineering degree with 4+ years of Experience in Telecom industry..I just now got my IELTS scores W-7,S-7,L-6,R-4.5.One of the employer is ready to Sponsor me in 457 visa.I wanted to know whether i am eligible with this IELTS score or not.If i’m eligible then wht are the impact i will face in future….please let me know ASAP
    Cheers,
    Sathish

  260. ianlittle said on January 24, 2010 at 9:21 am

    Sathish – You need to talk to a migration agent. As you have a sponsor you do not need to do the full qualifications assessment. I think you will be OK. On the job you will struggle with such poor reading skills. Until you improve your reading and comprehension will will be unable to get your qualifications accepted by Engineers Australia to apply for a permanent residence class visa. A good way to improve you English comprehension is to got to dual language websites. Read the English , then read it in your language. Practice translating.

  261. Mathews said on January 26, 2010 at 1:16 pm

    Hi,
    I am Mathews, i have completed advanced diploma in Mechanical engineering from TAFE. It was a two year full time programme. Would i be eligible for EA membership? and can i get the 60 points for my qualification??

  262. ianlittle said on January 26, 2010 at 2:39 pm

    Mathews – you could be eligible as an engineering associate. Go to our FAQ page and follow the links to the Australian Skills Recognition Information page.

  263. Abhijit said on January 26, 2010 at 3:32 pm

    Hello Ian,
    I have completed my engineering from India in 2004 & have 5 years of experience. Recently I have started process for PR & preparing for IELTS. Mean time I am planning to complete my documents like Career Narrative, CPD & Summery statement for competencies. May I request you to give any valuable suggestions from your side? Also it will be helpful for me to prepare these documents if you can tell me the correct formats or samples where I can find these documents written specifically engineers. I tried to search the same on Google etc but not satisfied with the relevance of the same with my field. Thanks in advance.

  264. ianlittle said on January 27, 2010 at 8:41 pm

    Abhijit – Read all the blog posts and questions and answers on our blog streams for Assessment of engineering qualifications by Engineers Australia and Competency Demonstration Report (CDR)

  265. Manopri said on January 28, 2010 at 1:33 pm

    I have a degree of Bachelor of Electrical & Electronics Engineering obtained from Uiniversity of Peradeniya.Working as a Seniore Engineer in a Telecommunication company and having 6 years of experience so far in the telecommunication field.I have submitted my CDR and waiting for results.I am little worried coz I have written all 3 episodes of the CDR based in telecommunication field.But my degree goes as electrical & Electronics where as the subjects contains both electrical & electronics.Will it be a problem when assessing the CDR by IEA?? Will I get through??

  266. ianlittle said on January 28, 2010 at 8:36 pm

    Manopri – No point in worrying now. Your application will take its course. The good news is telecommunication is a branch of electronics and fits withinn the ASCO definition of electronics engineer. Relax.

  267. Ramkumar said on January 28, 2010 at 8:38 pm

    I have done diploma in mechanical engineering in India,i have australia permanent residency visa,i want my qualification assesment by australian authorised body,
    please advice

  268. ianlittle said on January 28, 2010 at 8:45 pm

    Ramkumar- Go to the Engineers Australia website and follow the links for accreditation of overseas qualifications within Australia. The Engineers Australia are very approachable. Go and talk to them or ring them up if you have any queries.

  269. Sweta Lal said on January 30, 2010 at 1:39 pm

    I would like to humbly request you to let me know that being an IT professional with 2 years of experience in the Australian IT Industry I have applied for the assessment of qualification by Engineers Australia, can I use the results of EA for applying for residency of other countries other than Australia. If yes could you please list the countries & email me.

  270. ianlittle said on January 30, 2010 at 1:51 pm

    Sweta – You have not stated what your qualifications are, but as you are an IT professional an application to Engineers Australia has been a waste of time and money. You should be applying for qualification recognition to the Australian Computer Society (ACS). You need to look at the requirements at each individual country to see what other countries qualifications they recognise.

  271. Sweta Lal said on January 30, 2010 at 2:27 pm

    Hi Ian,

    My qualification is Bachelor of Technology in Information Technology, India. I was suggested by my registered & highly reputable Immigration agent & lawyer too apply to the Engineers Australia (which is also an option for computer professionals) as it has more significance in the PR procedures. Anyway what I wanted to inquire was that is there any chance that there might be countries accepting Engineers Australia results of qualification assessment done of B.Tech Qualification from India if I successfully get the results.

  272. ianlittle said on January 30, 2010 at 3:04 pm

    Sweta – This is an issue your highly reputable migration agent should be able to answer if he is any good. . Your clearly do not have an engineering qualification. Legally I cannot provide immigration advice. I think you should go to our FAQ page and follow all the links to gather the information you need arther than relying on others.

  273. B said on January 31, 2010 at 5:18 pm

    Hi..

    I received my visa under class BN 136. I did go to sydney before last date of arrival.I do not want to shift till I have a job in hand…Is there any limit on my stay in australia against this sub class BN 136 like I have to be there within next one year or so…I am serarching for job through net but due to recession nothing has worked out.

  274. ianlittle said on February 1, 2010 at 10:04 am

    B – Talk to a migration agent about migration issues. I cannot legally advise you. Go to our FAQ blog page and you will see the links to web pages that will give you all the information. You will almost certainly not find a job through the internet. Go to internet sites of companies that could employ someone in your occupation. You can also find company names through business associations and professional bodies. Apply directly to companies. Build networks by attending functions where people of your occupation meet.

  275. Mattias Simonsen said on February 2, 2010 at 9:54 pm

    To ¨Ian Little

    You have already helped me once – thank you. I have yet another question, which I think I know the answer to, but I need to be a 100 % sure:
    Can I write one of my careerepisodes based on something from my PhD project ?
    I am going for the asco code of “Mechanical Engineer” and since my PhD project also evolved around mechanical engineering, I am considering using some experiences during this project as one of my Career episodes.
    If yes – then who do I get to write the reference letter? I had a professor at university, who was my assigned “guidance” thoughout the whole project, and I believe that he would be the one I should use for the refrenceletter. Do you agree?
    Thank you in advance, Mattias.

  276. ianlittle said on February 3, 2010 at 9:43 am

    Mattias – Yes I agree with you. I hope you are now 100% sure.

  277. Kumar Bhaskar said on February 3, 2010 at 3:48 pm

    Hi Ian
    Would you please be able to tell me the meaning of signatories of Washington Accord and Sydney accord, what privileges do the participating countries hold in this accord. I will be appreciable if you could advise me.

  278. ianlittle said on February 3, 2010 at 3:49 pm

    Kumar – The signatories are the countries who have signed the agreements. These countries have a register of approved institutes, courses and course years which they all mutually recognise. You can see all this on the Washington Accord website. An approved qualkification is identified by institute, course and course year.

  279. Saad Said said on February 6, 2010 at 1:41 pm

    Hi Ianlittle

    Thank you for the great efforts you’re doing to help others.
    I’m PR and living in Australia.
    I’m carrying a BSC degree in Electrical Engineering/ Electronics
    from Iraq and a long experience in Design and projects/ Oil Industry.
    I started my contacts and investigations about recognition at AEI-NOOSR but so far couldn’t get a good overview on; what will their recognition report looklike. would they state clearly what degree level does it be equal to against other Australian degrees such as BSC , Advanced Dipolma, etc.?could you or anybody in the forum upload or refer me to a sample outcome?
    At the moment I am studying Advanced Diploma in Electrical Technology at TAFE . Do you think the TAFE degree, along with my past experience, would be helpful towards Engineers Australia membership.

    Thank you in advance,
    Best Wishes
    Saad

  280. ianlittle said on February 6, 2010 at 8:17 pm

    Saad – I would expect you would be able to gain accreditation as an engineering technologist through Engineers Australia. I doubt if doing the advanced diploma has really helped. You certainly are unlikely to get recognition as a professional engineer. Your best path would be to do a Master of Engineering Practice from the University of Southern Queensland. You can do this by remote learning.

  281. Gabriel said on February 9, 2010 at 11:26 am

    hi,

    i’m a french graduate and i’ve spent 2 years in Australia for my master of engineering. due to the specificity of the French education system, my qualification are falling between industrial engineering and production engineering; how can i choose?
    furthermore, can i use one of my experience of designing a new system for my master of engineering as a career episode?

    thanks for your help

    Gabriel

  282. ianlittle said on February 9, 2010 at 12:27 pm

    Gabriel – Go to the Australian bureau of Statistics (ABS) website and look at the ASCO definition for each occupation. (You can follow the link from our EAQ blog page) Then compare the subjects you have studied and the work experience you have. Also consider you masters studies. Which occupation can you make the strongest claim for? Then go for it. make the best claim you can. If you have selected the wrong one, Engineers Australia will sort it out. If you are still in Australia, go alomg to the nearset office of Engineers Australia and talk to them.
    Yes you can use your nasters project for a CER.

  283. Sandy said on February 9, 2010 at 5:47 pm

    Ian,
    Thanks for your Support in advance……I am an Engineer with 4 years of Engineering degree with 5 years of Experience in oil & gas pipeline industry..I just got my IELTS scores W-6,S-7,L-5,R-4.5.One of the employer is ready to Sponsor me in 457 visa.I wanted to know whether i am eligible with this IELTS score or not.If i’m eligible then wht are the impact i will face in future.while converting for PR after 2 years. It would be a problem or should i take IELTS test again for PR….please let me know ASAP
    Cheers,
    Sandy

  284. ianlittle said on February 9, 2010 at 7:30 pm

    Sandy = You have a job so all is well. Quite frankly you need to improve your English tp be successful in your job. You will not get your qualifications accredited by Engineers Australia until you have 7 in all categhories.

  285. ej said on February 12, 2010 at 8:11 am

    Hello Ian,
    Do you have idea about the changes that will take effect on June 2010 regarding GSM Application . Do you think, Electronics Engineer will be affected in SOL? I am planning to submit my CDR this March and worried that I will be oovered in the changes. Thank you very much!

  286. ianlittle said on February 12, 2010 at 1:56 pm

    ej – No one knows what will happen, so do not pay money to anyone who says they do. You cannot change things out of your control so do not worry about them. It is highly unlikely that engineers will be worse off by any changes. Australia is short of engineers.

  287. Arshade said on February 12, 2010 at 4:39 pm

    I am a 2 year trade person(Refrigeration&Airconditiioning Mechanic) i have got 11 years experience this field,could you let me know that can i migrate to Australia now?iam waiting your reply

  288. ianlittle said on February 13, 2010 at 2:06 pm

    Arshade – Go to our FAQ page and follow the links to the web site which will give you all the details. First off download Booklet 6: General Skilled Migration, which is available online from the booklets section of the Department of Immigration and Citizenship website.

  289. Shailendra said on February 20, 2010 at 1:46 pm

    Hello sir,

    I have already applied for qualification assessment to Engineers Australia. But due to some reason or I can say by mistake of the post department, my documents reached at EA 6 months late. So the officer at EA has asked me to send the request for JUMP THE QUEUE for emergency.

    Can you please guide me what should I include in the request, I have no such idea and little bit confused what to write in the request. Please help.

    Regards,
    Shailendra

  290. ianlittle said on February 20, 2010 at 2:19 pm

    Shailendra – Give the details of when you sent the request and ask for you application to be assessed immediately so you are not disadvantaged due to circumstances beyond your control. You should have sent such a valuable document by registered post or courier so should have a receipt of this. This is evidence that you are telling the truth and are not just trying to jump the queue (that is trying to get in front of others who applied before you). You could make a statutory declaration, saying that you posted your application on a certain date, and have it signed by a suitable person such as a justice of the peace or commissioner of affidavits.

  291. Shailendra said on February 22, 2010 at 1:52 pm

    Thank you sir, Thank you very much for the helpful information.

  292. Shailendra said on February 23, 2010 at 6:21 pm

    Hello Sir, If I get successful assessment within a month, then how much time it will take to get me the PR in australia. Some says the immigration dept is not going to accept the applications till 2012. Some says I will get PR in 6-8 months. I am worried about these rumors. Can you please tell what is the actual time to get PR for Australia after I get assessment.

    Thanks & Regards,
    Shailendra

  293. ianlittle said on February 23, 2010 at 6:43 pm

    Shailendra – Unless you have sponsorship, you will have a long wait. 2012 may be optimistic as the rules are changing and applicants are working to try and improve their place in the queue. Any one who tells you they know how long it will take probably does not know what they are talking about , or they want your money. Ask for a money back guarantee.

  294. sagun said on February 24, 2010 at 1:51 pm

    Dear Sir/Madam,
    I did my Bachelor of Electronics and Communication Engineering from Nepal. I just want to get my degree assesed and get the membership of Engineer Australia.
    I am not sure writing of CDR reports are essential for just the assessment of this degree,
    Please guiide me in doing the required process for it
    Thank you in advance for you help.
    Regards,
    Sagun

  295. ianlittle said on February 24, 2010 at 3:55 pm

    Sagun – Go to our FAQ blog page and follow the links to all the relevant sites. Download a copy of the Migration Skills Assessment booklet. from the Engineers Australia site.

  296. Joe said on February 25, 2010 at 12:20 am

    Hi Ian,

    I am at Australia now with 417 visa, I finish B.E degree of Electronics Engineer overseas at 2008

    OF COURSE If I want to obtain for a skilled visa I should get recognition for my university degree first, So is the OQU or AEI-NOOSR assessment enough for skilled visa or I should get member ship at Engineer Australia ?

    And what’s the advantage of OQU or AEI-NOOSR assessment ?

    Regards,
    Joe

  297. ianlittle said on February 25, 2010 at 12:52 am

    Joe- If you are applying for a general skilled migration visa you must have your qualifications must be assessed by Engineers Australia. OQU or AEI-NOOSR assessment are of no value. You do not habe to become a member of Engineer Australia. Go to our FAQ blog page and follow all the links to get a better understanding of what is needed.

  298. Godfrey said on February 25, 2010 at 12:28 pm

    Hello Ian,

    I am applying for permanent visa to Australia and qualifications recognition from Engineers Australia.

    I am a Jamaican and my native language is English, however it was required of me to do the IELTS test as I am not a native of UK/US/Ireland/Canada.

    Now I did the test and got results: 7.0,5.5,6.5,8.5 overall score 7. My wife, Jamaican as well, will be my dependent on the application; she did much better than me and got results 8.5, 9.0, 7.5, 8.5 overall score 8.5. Do I need to redo the test? Or will they consider the fact that I speak English in my home country and in every country we have been living in because of my work as telecommunications engineer consultant/contractor?

    Your advice is greatly appreciated. Thank you.

  299. ianlittle said on February 25, 2010 at 10:06 pm

    Godfrey – Engineers Australia assess cases on an individuall basis, but tend to be conservative and require a good level of English. You should send Engineers Australia an email (don’t tell them your score) and ask them. If you completed your engineering degree in English that should be enough. Whatever happens for accreditation you will need to improve your English or you will find it hard to get a job. A score of at least 7.0 in each category is essential really.

  300. Mohit patiyal said on February 25, 2010 at 11:01 pm

    Hello Sir,
    I have a quick question.I have done my mechanical engineering- a four year degree from India and now i am studying masters in engineering management from Univ of Melbourne.Do i need to asses my engineering degree to apply for pr and if yes,then where should i apply for that assessment.And can i apply now from Australia for skilled migration visa.What options do i have now.Please let me know asap.
    Thanks!!!

  301. ianlittle said on February 26, 2010 at 12:38 pm

    Mohit – For qualifications accreditation you will be assessed on your undergraduate qualification. So you can apply now. You apply to Engineers Australia. Go to their website for details. Read Booklet 6 form the Department of Immigration and Citizenship (DIAC) called General Skilled Migration. You may need to complete yourse masters to get enough visa points. Go to our FAQ blog page and follow the links to get all the information you need. Buy Project Australia if you want further assistance.

  302. Pam said on February 26, 2010 at 12:46 pm

    I have obtained my post graduate degree from Malaysia which is recognized by the Board of Engineers Malaysia. I have checked in the Washigton Accord website that BEM has recently been added in 2009 as one of the accredited bodies. I did my undergraduate in 2002, would it still be considered valid and could I apply from the Washigton Accord Assesment Application. Pls advice. Thanks.

  303. ianlittle said on February 26, 2010 at 12:50 pm

    Pam – Go to the Washington Accord website. You can access list of all accredited courses from all the countries, institutes, and approved courses by year from that site. For Engineers Australia the important thing is your undergraduate qualification – not your post graduate degree.

  304. Joe said on February 26, 2010 at 2:25 pm

    Hi Ian,

    Thank you for your advice, after I read more blogs and I really find your books important references, So if I get Assessment for my B.E from Engineers Australia I grantee skilled visa or should I study here first ?

    I can see that the English requirement increase to 6 overall score I begin study more English should I try IELTS preparation course to reach high score ?

    Regards,

  305. ianlittle said on February 26, 2010 at 4:54 pm

    Joe – The most important thing is to practrice reading, writing and speaking English rather than doing courses. Read Project Australia and yopu will get many tips on how to imptove your English, in particular, technical English.

  306. Shailendra said on February 26, 2010 at 8:34 pm

    Sir, I have my Bachelor Degree in Electronics and Communication. I have 2.5 Years of Experience which comes under MODL i.e. Microsoft Asp.Net field. And I have scored 6 and above 6 in all 4 modules of IELTS exams, and according to rules I completed 120 points and if I do not have sponsorship from Aus, will it take too long to get PR?

  307. ianlittle said on February 26, 2010 at 8:51 pm

    Shailendra – It could take two years or so

  308. Sara said on February 26, 2010 at 9:25 pm

    Hi Ian,
    I need your advice about Skilled Recognised Graduate offshore, I am an Electronics Engineer I have 1 year experience but I think there is no skill requirements for this visa, just the English requirement and Recognised qualification. I’ve get overall 6.5 IELTS score

    Now I need to get my degree Recognised I live at Lebanon right now can I do it online? and which organisation ?

    Your help so important to me thanks,

  309. ianlittle said on February 26, 2010 at 10:59 pm

    Sara – Buy Project Australia NOW and set yourself on the right track. Engineers Australia assess engineering qualifications. You cannot do this online.

  310. Godfrey said on February 27, 2010 at 5:50 am

    Thanks Ian, I will redo the test, better to have the best results that I can achieve. Besides the test results are valid for two years and I can use them to apply to other countries, such as Canada for example.

  311. Shailendra said on March 2, 2010 at 9:43 pm

    Thanks Ian,

    I have got the mail regarding successful assessment from Engineers Australia. And will get the Assessment letter soon. Now I want to apply for PR visas. Can you please guide me from where to start. What are the steps and what is the process steps. Please give me link for guidelines if they are on other sites or on Australian Immigration site.

    Thanks
    - Shailendra

  312. ianlittle said on March 3, 2010 at 10:27 am

    Shailendra – Buy a copy ofProject Australia. It tells you all you need to know.

  313. Santosh Bastola said on March 4, 2010 at 8:11 pm

    HI Ian,

    I am citizen of Nepal. Currently working in india. So is it possible to certify the copies of certificate from any MARA registered agent of any country even though i am not using the agent service to apply for assessment of my skills in engineers australia.

    Regards
    Santosh Bastola

  314. ianlittle said on March 4, 2010 at 10:30 pm

    Santosh – I am sure agents will do anything for money

  315. jazz said on March 6, 2010 at 6:52 pm

    hi there!

    I have done my b.tech(in electronics and communication) with honours from india.i m now in australia doing master of science in network systems.i have read the EA guidelines for skill assessment,but i still have some apprehensions like will submitting my skill assessemnt before my masters would have any effect on my application ??or will submitting my masters units would somehow support my application?
    what are my chances as im a fresh graduate with no work exp.
    any help would be appreciated

  316. ianlittle said on March 6, 2010 at 6:56 pm

    Jazz – The more experience you have the easier it will be to write CERs, but work experience is neither mandatory or essential. By itself the masters degree does not help you. You do not submit your masters units. You write about the engineering competencies you demonstrate by completing the units. It is likely that you will only be able to demonstrate the competencies through practical work and project work. A CER is about demonstrating engineering competencies by your actions.

  317. Zulqar Noori said on March 7, 2010 at 7:55 pm

    Hello Iain,
    I am concerned about certification of my documents in Pakistan ( for Engineer’s Australia assessment ). I have read that authorized notary public can provide attestation of my documents. I need to know what is the meaning of ‘authorized’ notary public here.
    thanks.

  318. ianlittle said on March 7, 2010 at 8:42 pm

    Zulqar – Authorised means legally recognised in courts and by government autorities. I would expect an authorised person to have a letter or certificate for a government body.

  319. Ali Ahsan said on March 9, 2010 at 11:43 pm

    I am from Bangladesh and completed BSc in Civil Engineering 3 years back. I have been working as Engineer – mainly Designing and Detailing Steel Structures and R.C.C. Structures.

    I just want to know I can apply as Civil Engineer

  320. ianlittle said on March 10, 2010 at 2:26 pm

    Ali Ahsan – Yes civil and structural are grouped together

  321. Viny said on March 10, 2010 at 10:51 pm

    HI,
    I wanna put forward some doubts, expecting your valuable responses,
    I am 32 yrs old, have studied Polytechnic diploma in Mechanical Engineering after my school (10 + 3), then studied for Passing SEC-A & SEC-B of IME India(www.imeindia.in) in year 2001, (this is 3 years but correspondance mode, which is condidered as an degree equivalent to Bachelors in Engineering by Indian Govt. and has eligibility for further studies in PG courses in indian as well as Aus universities, even I my degree was accreditation from Uk NAric for some purpose, whic stated its equivalent to British Hons Bachelors in Engineering ), from then I am working in various capacities in Mechanical engineering discipline, and Moved to Middle east in 2007, I would like to know:
    1.My Qualification is eligible to apply for an Immigarion to Australia, if so
    2.According to changes from feb-08-10, what are the professions in MODL and SOL., am I eligible?

  322. ianlittle said on March 10, 2010 at 11:34 pm

    Viny – You are highly likely to be able to have your qualifications assessed by Engineers Australia and be eligible for migration as either a professional engineer or engineering technologist in mechanical engineering. The first step in migration is qualifications assessment. Engineers Australia will advise the occupation you are accredited as after assessing your CDR.

  323. jazz said on March 13, 2010 at 2:40 pm

    thanks for your reply ian.
    so it means i still have a chance to qualify as a professional engineer as i have fairly done some practical work in my engineering.
    one more question,do you guys assist in applying to EA.i am an international student studying in melbourne.
    regards

  324. ianlittle said on March 13, 2010 at 8:57 pm

    Jazz – I will answer any reasonable question. Your CER must be all your own work.

  325. Koustubh said on March 15, 2010 at 12:35 pm

    Hi Ian,
    I have a bachelors degree in industrial and production engineering from India. I have completed my masters in engineering management from RMIT. I came across a couple of similar questions on this thread, but nothing specific.
    I wanted to know if I could get myself assessed as a mechanical engineer. My degree is pretty much similar to mechanical, the first 2yrs was common and then the other 2yrs was about production and management stuff. I have no work experience and thanks to the SOL, neither industrial nor production engineering is listed. So,if I can write down three career episodes related to mechanical and say I wanna be assessed as a mechanical engineer (but with a degree in industrial and production engineering), what do you think my chances are?! My decision will be a lot dependent on your say. Pls do let me know.
    Thanks
    -Koustubh.

  326. ianlittle said on March 15, 2010 at 3:30 pm

    Koustubh – I have doubts. It will depend totally on your particular course and the specific subjects you have done and how well you can demonstrate mechanical engineering competencies in a CDR. Why not talk to an Engineers Australia assessor and see what they have to say. The best thing to do is get an engineering job and get your employer to sponsor you.

  327. Koustubh said on March 16, 2010 at 12:08 am

    Yea, employer sponsorship is the last resort, cos I prefer to work for a consulting firm doing risk assessment kind of stuff than technical work. I want to be able to apply for residency and get it asap, but I will talk to someone from engineers Australia. You are doing a great job Ian, seriously I had so much to learn from the blogs and the comments. Thanks for your time, much appreciated.

  328. ianlittle said on March 16, 2010 at 4:08 am

    Mans – Yes you will still need to do the IELTS test.

  329. Princy said on March 28, 2010 at 9:42 pm

    Hi,
    I am an Engineer with 4 years of engineering degree in Electronics and communication from an Indian university. I have 4.5 years of Experience in Embedded systems Domain.
    I would like to apply for General skilled migration.
    I have the following doubts.
    1. Do I need to prepare CDR for my engineering assessment.
    2. Do I need an IELTS score for assessment
    3. My area of work is in embedded system software domain which is closely related to my engineering degree, i think I can go for the assessment of engineers Australia rather than ACS. Please help.
    Thanks in advance.
    Regards,
    Princy

  330. ianlittle said on March 28, 2010 at 11:47 pm

    Princy – Yes, yes, I agree. Go to our Engineering Advice blog page and follow the links on the article FAQs for engineering migrants to Australia.

  331. Ammara Khalid said on March 29, 2010 at 7:50 pm

    Hi I am from Pakistan and m graduate in Bsc (Agricultural Engineering) 4 Years and then MBA (Management) please help me. I have non-recognised Engineering qualifications or I have accredited Engineering qualifications. please reply asp…
    Regards,
    Ammara Khalid

  332. ianlittle said on March 30, 2010 at 11:09 am

    Ammara – You have a non-recognised qualification. You will need to do a competency demonstration report.

  333. sara said on March 31, 2010 at 5:36 pm

    Hi, I have done my Electrical and Electronics Engineering in 2004 from a top university in India and I am working in the IT industry in Telecom domain. Will I be qualified to apply Engineers Australia ?

  334. ianlittle said on April 1, 2010 at 12:03 pm

    Sara – Probably. It will depend on your specific experience. Look at the occupation description for an electronics engineer. Go to our Engineering Advice blog page and follow the links on the article FAQs for engineering migrants to Australia. The Australian Bureau of Statistics (ABS) site provides occupation descriptions.

  335. harshit said on April 8, 2010 at 3:39 pm

    hi!
    i had done my graduation in biomedical and instrumentation engineering from india.
    then please tell me how to apply for degree assessment?

  336. ianlittle said on April 8, 2010 at 4:11 pm

    Harshit – This does not translate well inti English. – Buy Project Australia from this website. You get your qualifications assessed by Engineers Australia.

  337. Steve B said on April 28, 2010 at 2:56 am

    Hi Ian.
    I am from South Africa and am immigrating to Australia in June. I have been employed as a Lead Electrical Engineer due to my qualifications and experience. I have a 4 year national higher diploma in elactrical engineering and i am registered with the engineering council of South Africa (ECSA) as a professional Engineerining Technologist (Pr. Tech Eng). I have owned my own Electrical Project Engineering business for the last 15 years and have done massive multi million electrical engineering projects throughout SA and Africa. I have been accredted by the Engineers Australia as a Engineering Technologist and my question to you is can i qualify as a Professional Engineer with my experience and qualifications under the Washington Accord going the route of a CDR?

  338. ianlittle said on April 29, 2010 at 3:08 pm

    Steve – I do not think so. You fail the Washington Accord path and fail the CDR route for the same reason. There is no provision in the engineering accreditation for “recognition of prior learning’ (RPL). Unless you plan to work in Queensland the lack of recognition as a professional engineer will not be an issue. You have the experience. The University of Southern Queensland (USQ) runs a course called Masters of Engineering Practice for people in your situation. This is available as a remote learning course. It is only available to people living in Australia.

  339. Aji said on May 2, 2010 at 3:21 am

    Dear Ian,
    I currently live in Singapore and will be migrating to Sydney, Australia in June. I hold an engineering degree from a Canadian university (assessed by Engineers Australia under the Washington Accord back in 2008) and have been working as an embedded software engineer in the past 4.5 years. I’d like to apply for Engineers Australia’s membership (grade Member) in advance before my arrival but one of the requirements states the following:

    Your Curriculum Vitae must be verified by a Member, Senior Member or Fellow of Engineers Australia, or a person of equivalent standing, who can personally confirm the accuracy of the statements made.

    Who does “a person of equivalent standing” refer to? I’d like to find out as I currently don’t know anyone who’s a member of Engineers Australia.

    Thanks in advance.

  340. ianlittle said on May 2, 2010 at 1:11 pm

    Aji A member of Engineers Canada or a similar engineering organisation that is recognised by Engineers Australia. Failing that someone from the group of people listed to authorise documents listed in the Migration Skills Assessment handbook.

  341. Aji said on May 3, 2010 at 12:45 am

    Hi Ian,
    Thanks. I think I’ll get my migration agent to certify. Once again, thanks.

  342. henry said on May 3, 2010 at 9:23 am

    Hi Ian

    Currently I am living NZ and working for Australia consultant firm (NZ office) for 15 yrs, I had a bachelor of engineer from China, had done NZQA assessment, which was equalent to 4 years NZ bachelor course.
    My Q is if I like to get skill assessment, which category should I apply – accredited or non accredited?

    Thanks in advance.

  343. ianlittle said on May 3, 2010 at 9:45 am

    Henry you need to be assessed by Engineers Australia who will assess your Chinese undergraduate qualification which is a non-recognised qualification.

  344. henry said on May 3, 2010 at 10:02 am

    Thanks your quick respond,

    This means my NZ qualification assessment is not applicable to Australia.

    regards

  345. farhan said on May 4, 2010 at 3:25 pm

    I am graduate electrical engineer from Pakistan working in USA from 5 years as senior engineer, i want to apply for australian immigration. Total i have 15 years of international work experiance, I am not sure how to proceed, i did my BS degree from Pakistan. If i want to apply through IEA for assesment of my degree, should i first sit in IELTS and try to get a band greater than 6 in all or i can apply before that to IEA for my CDR assessments? Is there any way i can be exempt from IELTS?Your reply will be much appericiated.
    Farhan

  346. ianlittle said on May 4, 2010 at 4:00 pm

    Farhan – You can only get exemption from IELTS if you have a passport from an English speaking country. You need to include the evidence of IELTS test with your application to Engineers Australia. Try and get a band greater than 7 in all elements. You really need that level to be able to get a decent job.

  347. Art said on May 5, 2010 at 5:16 am

    Hello Ian,

    I currently live in Canada and have been working for a Forensic Engineering firm within my specialized field.

    I hold a Civil Engineering Technology diploma from Mohawk College, and a Bachelor of Civil Engineering Infrastructure Technology degree from McMaster University.

    I would like to know if this is a recognized qualification according to Engineers Australia if possible.

    Thank you in advance,

    Art

  348. Art said on May 5, 2010 at 5:28 am

    Hi Ian,

    If it also assists, the years I attended these programs are as follows;

    Civil Engineering Technology (2000-2003)
    Bachelor of Civil Engineering Infrastructure Technology (2006-2010)

    The degree program was taken part-time while I was employed in my field on a full-time basis.

    Regards,

    Art

  349. ianlittle said on May 5, 2010 at 7:07 am

    Art – Canada is a signatory to the Washington Accord. Go to their site and check. You will need to get to the detail of institute, course and year. If you do not fit under the Washington Accord, look under the Sydney Accord.

  350. mohammad said on May 9, 2010 at 12:02 am

    Hi Mr. Ian,

    I am a jordanian engineer having a bachlor degree of chemical engineering from Jordan University of Science and Technology, I have 10 years experience as a production manager of a polyurethane insulation foam plant, I want to immigrate to australia and I would like to know what best suits my assessment as a professional engineer or engineer technologist or what?
    does take too much time to have a result? and after going through their booklet they are saying that if I am not assessed as what I applied for, they are telling that I might be assessed to sthg lower, do you know like what?

    thank you

  351. ianlittle said on May 9, 2010 at 4:19 am

    Mohammad – It takes about 12 – 16 weeks for an assessment application to be processed provided it is complete and correctly filled out. Obviously it will take longer if Engineers Australia have to ask questions to clarify your application. Apply as a professional engineer. If Engineers Australia do not think you meet the professional engineer requirements they will classify you as an engineering technologist without the need to make a separate application. This is what they mean where they tell about assessing you as something lower..

  352. Nikunj Garg said on May 12, 2010 at 2:15 pm

    Hi Ian,
    I am a bit confused how to go further in my career, so Lalit (IDP melbourne) referred you to me.I have done Mechanical engineering in my graduate from India and I am currently doing MBA (1.5 years) from Deakin University. I am in my final semester of my course and have do decide what to do next. I am not interested in making my career in management field and want to get back to technical. I was looking forward to asses my engineering degree in Australia but i dont have any experience all I have is the 2months practical trainings (twice) and a major project that I did during my course. When i went through the CDR details it says you should have a practical experience and it should show your contribution in the organisation. but during my training I have only learned the working and manufacturing process of the organisation. So, Please help me how can I asses my degree. and how to get back in the technical field.

    Regards
    Nikunj

  353. ianlittle said on May 13, 2010 at 11:35 am

    Kikunj – In theory if your engineering course is equivalent to an Australian engineering degree you should be able to complete a CDR without any engineering work experience. Your course and project work should provide enough experience. keep in mind the competemcies are to be demonstrated at a graduate engineer level. The words in the definitions make it all seem a lot more onerous than it really is.
    You need to go about CDR preparation in a very systematic way. The career episode reports are about demonstrating engineering competencies. I suggest you look to write two reports about projects or specific incidents or problems you have solved (your final year project can be one of these) and one about one of your work experience. Select and write three outlines. Each about ten one line points. Then work out what competencies you will be able to demonstrate from each point. next complete the Summary Report. From this you will see which competencies you have demonstrated many times and which competencies you have missed. Revise you point form outline until you are satisfied that you have covered all competencies as well as you can. the CER about your work experience will provide a good opportunity to include competencies not include in project work.

  354. Nikunj Garg said on May 13, 2010 at 2:54 pm

    Thanks a lot Ian for your advice.

  355. ianlittle said on May 21, 2010 at 8:45 pm

    TD – The Australian degree will be a 4 year level qualification. Your study for 3 years + have a credit for 1 year = 4 years. You must have more money than sense to take this route. Think about getting assessed as a mechanical engineer and doing electrical engineering study part-time later.

  356. TD said on May 21, 2010 at 8:51 pm

    Ian,

    I have a 4 year mechanical enginering degree from India.After that I worked in a electricity utility company for 3 years.Now my interest is to work as an electrical engineer.
    Now i am planning to do a Bachelor Degree in electrical engineering in Australia, gain a accredated qualification and hopefully work as an electrical engineer in Australia.Because I already have an engineering qualification, I might be able to complete by degree in 3 years as I am applying for 1 year credit under ‘Recognition of prior learning’.Now will Engineers Australia accept my 3 year degree as meeting the rquirements of a professional engineer in Australia?

  357. IGD said on May 28, 2010 at 7:46 pm

    Hello Ian,

    I got a 5 year Mechanical Engineering degree from Philippines. I graduated 10 years ago. Since then, I worked as a mechanical design engineer for several companies including 3 years in China. I got a total of 10 years in research and development experience working on consumer electronic products. I took my IELTS exam last March and I was able to get 8 in speaking, 7.5 in listening, 6.5 in both reading and writing. Since I got more than what Engineers Australia requires(6), I made my CDR for skills assessment. I sent my papers to Engineers Australia last week and also requested from IDP to send directly my IELTS results to Engineers Australia. I reviewed my points in DIAC but I can’t make it for 175 visa point requirements since I only got 110points. So, opted to try Victoria state sponsorship 176 to qualify in DIAC.
    Questions:
    1. Do you think that I have a good chance in getting a positive assessment in both Engineers Australia and victoria state sponsorship?
    2. Engineers Australia stated in their website that it will take 16 weeks to process my CDR. Do you think that it will really take 16 weeks in actual or this is just a maximum estimate on their side?
    3. I’ve done some research on job market in melbourne regarding mechanical design engineers and it looks like there are quite a few openings. Do you have any idea if it’s easy to find a job for a guy like me.

    Any comments and suggestions from you will be highly appreciated.

    Thanks Ian.

    Regards,
    IGD

  358. ianlittle said on May 28, 2010 at 8:22 pm

    IGD – You should be able to get a positive assessment with Engineers Australia with your background. It depends om how well you have written your CDR. Keep working on your English. That helps you in every step of the process, especially in getting a job.
    Assessment by Engineers Australia will take longer due to mailing time for the results to get to you.
    be prepared for it to take 3 to 6 months to get a job. You will go around in circles for the first three months learning your way around. Buy Project Australia and follow the steps in it. This will save you a large amount of effort.

  359. ianlittle said on May 29, 2010 at 12:25 pm

    Brijesh – Buy Project Australia and follow the steps in it. This will save you a large amount of effort.

  360. IGD said on June 8, 2010 at 3:48 pm

    Hi Ian,

    Thanks for your reply.

    I got the result from my state sponsorship application in Victoria. They denied my application for now. They think that my skills are not readily employable in Victoria but they are willing to reassess my application should I be able to obtain a valid offer of employment in my nominated occupation within Victoria which is hard to do when you are outside Australia. This is bad news but I’m not giving up. My only chance is to take again the IELTS exam and aim 7 in all subjects to be able to qualify in DIAC later on.

    I would surely consider Project Australia if my application will be successful in DIAC in the near future.

    Thanks again and more power.

    Regards,
    IGD

  361. Aimar said on June 22, 2010 at 5:09 pm

    Hey Ä°an;

    Do you know whether engineers australia recognises the “subclass 476 recognised graduate” visa holders? These graduations are recognised by goverment, however there is no information (either in Appendix A) about the issue. Thanks for answer..

  362. ianlittle said on June 23, 2010 at 3:35 pm

    Aimar – Engineers Australia only assess qualifications for the Australian Government. They do noy issue or assess visas. The level of qualification you have, as assessed by Engineers Australia, may affect the type of visa you are eligible for. Talk to a migration agent.

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